You misunderstand or I was not clear. I was postulating about what alternative (as in an imaginary turn of events) indicated by John Clark writing about what actions are justified versus unjustified? John seems to lean to the notion that BLM-Antifa violence, aggression, arson; was superior or understandable, compared to the January 6th riot at the Capitol, that John believes was instigated by Trump. I hold that both rioters are unjustified, and ineffectual, in any case. Yes, the South attacked first, yes the South provoked the North as well, yes the Slave states believed in unbridled "free market," which enriched the plantation owners, at the expense of the lives of the slaves, for growing cotton and tobacco for sale into Europe, principally Britain & France. The UK outlawed slave trade in the Atlantic and stopped slave ships since 1837 (British Navy). Yet, they still purchased tobacco and cotton from the South, and I believe Lincoln's cabinet was concerned that either the UK or France would militarily side with the Confederacy, for money, for land, for tobacco and cotton. If you really want to disengage from politics and history, as we agree on nothing, and we are not alone in this, nationally, why not change the focus and get back to physics which is your specialty? I can continue to fight on, but you don't care for what I say, truth or not, that's fine. Here,. from Quanta, claiming that mathematics ultimately is the best tool currently for understanding how the universe works, It' almost Bruno-esque in it's analysis. The claim is that yes, Dr. Sagan, you can't fool me. It's Fields all the way down. https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-mystery-at-the-heart-of-physics-that-only-math-can-solve-20210610/
-----Original Message-----From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2021 6:26 am Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st) On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 3:18:32 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: Now you are kind of asking an alternate history question? If you wish me to defend the Confederacy, which as I recall, started censoring mail from outside the slave states, (11 years before the Confederacy was declared!!), I would say hell no. Should Lincoln has said, screw this and attacked first? I'd have to be a historian or read what one said regarding this? Again, you never know what you write about. The Confederates fired the first shots at Ft Sumter. LC What I think you are really asking is should Trump have called of the election? Again, hell no. My thought is that if he wanted to be a schmuck and not do anything regarding possible election fraud, waiting until AFTER the election was idiotic. He obviously didn't send teams of Rep lawyers to the states as the democrats did in 2020. That is all on Orange Man. Did he get cheated on by the oligarchs, the dem state officials, and the like? I have no way of knowing?? We don't have any great evidence of this, so, I peg his loss the public reaction to Covid, but that is just a guess. If he did want an Overthrow as you passionately state, then sending 2-5 million people into DC would have better assured this rather than 500< schmucks. They did it themselves on Facebook. They were infiltrated super easy by the authorities. You are really bending the paperclip way out of shape if you accuse Trump of being part of a cabal and then screwing up his "Permanent Presidency." One of his character flaws is that he craved the approval of his elitist fellows in DC, Wall Street, Entertainment.https://www.emmys.com/video/donald-trump-megan-mullally-green-acres-emmys-2006 Not me, I am just a pitiful serf arguing science and politics with a small group of progressives, who despise any disagreement. -----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 21, 2021 7:38 am Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st) I wrote: >when Abraham Lincoln didn't even thing the Civil War was a good enough excuse >to cancel the 1860 presidential election? Correction: I should've said the 1864 presidential election. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolisyz7 aohn K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/517a5779-e855-46a2-b119-2663fc58e50cn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1565373371.2154566.1624381482993%40mail.yahoo.com.
