On 7/25/2021 12:21 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 2:43 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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/> It's certainly impressive...and useful. But notice how very
different it is from what we call intelligence in humans./
At least in this case the biggest difference is the artificial version
of Intelligence works one hell of a lot better than thenon-artificial
human variety.
/> I wonder what kind of consciousness you would infer from
DeepMind's behavior?
/
I've always thought intelligence is hard but consciousness is easy, so
to be consistent I'd have to say it must possess consciousness of some
sort. Subjectively I have no way of knowing what it would feel like to
be DeepMind, but then subjectively I have no way of knowing what it
would feel like to be Brent Meeker either.
And you have no way of knowing what it will feel like to be John K Clark
tomorrow, but you have a pretty good theory about it. Similarly, you
probably have a better theory about what it would feel like to be Brent
Meeker than to be DeepMind. So I make two points.
First, science isn't about /*knowing*/ stuff; it's just about having
good theories. Consciousness is imagined be an impossibly hard problem
because it's posed as being able to predict conscious thoughts from
monitoring a brain. But that's like saying gravity is a hard problem
because we can't predict the motion of all the stars in a galaxy (or
even three bodies).
Second, the fact that you can say the consciousness of DeepMind might be
so different you have no way of knowing what it would be like implies
that there can be qualitatively different kinds of consciousness.
Whether or how those kinds are correlated with different kinds of
intelligence is an interesting question; which might lead to some good
theories.
Brent
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