Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 23:38, John Clark <[email protected]> a écrit :
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:44 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *> And you have no way of knowing what it will feel like to be John K >> Clark tomorrow, but you have a pretty good theory about it. * >> > > Yes, and tomorrow I will be able to definitively know if yesterday's > theory about what it will be like to be John K Clark today turned out to be > correct or not. > > * > Similarly, you probably have a better theory about what it would feel >> like to be Brent Meeker than to be DeepMind. * >> > > No, there's nothing similar at all about it because tomorrow I will STILL have > absolutely positively no way of knowing if yesterday's theory about what it > will be like to be Brent Meeker or DeepMind today turned out to be > correct or not, in fact I will NEVER know if it's correct > > > *Consciousness is imagined be an impossibly hard problem because it's >> posed as being able to predict conscious thoughts from monitoring a brain. * >> > > The hardest part of the "hard problem of consciousness" is clearly > explaining exactly what "the hard problem of consciousness" is, it's not at > all clear to me exactly what sort of explanation would satisfy the > consciousness gurus. > You explained it yourself in the preceeding paragraph, let me quote it for you: "in fact I will NEVER know if it's correct" That's the *hard* problem of consciousness, others qualia. Quentin > > *> But that's like saying gravity is a hard problem because we can't >> predict the motion of all the stars in a galaxy (or even three bodies).* >> > > I can make exact Newtonian predictions in a few very special situations > but in general you're right, I can't make an exact prediction of the > motion of 3 particles, but I can make some very good approximations, and by > using The Virial Theorem I can even make a good approximation for the > motions of millions of bodies. However I don't know, and will never know, > if my predictions about a consciousness other than my own is even > approximately correct. And that's why consciousness theories are so easy > to dream up, and that's also why they're such a colossal bore. > > *> the fact that you can say the consciousness of DeepMind might be so >> different you have no way of knowing what it would be like implies that >> there can be qualitatively different kinds of consciousness. * >> > > Yes. I only have experience with my own consciousness but I know for a > fact that depending on the time of day my consciousness can be > qualitatively different, and I've known that for a long time. Back when I > was a student taking a calculus exam my consciousness had reached a > high-level but later that same night when I was falling asleep it was at a > much lower level and just a little later it fell all the way to zero, and > then what seemed instantaneous but actually took 8 hours it started up > again. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > > 0o0o > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2mxNZd8m_P4Z6ggdV2sgmV3BmjC8DGViuLacwO8ZVoJQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2mxNZd8m_P4Z6ggdV2sgmV3BmjC8DGViuLacwO8ZVoJQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAo1fA6JuCLRbqJ%2BgZAr7gRBKsjkCR3Dx7FcxK09KvvtNA%40mail.gmail.com.
