That sort of joke was heard during Vietnam as well. If we only gave the Viet 
Cong xxxx-dollars, etc. This only works in human nature for a bit. The Franks 
and Celts (French) tried to bribe the in-coming Vikings in the 9th Century. 
Worked for a while, then, the Vikings came in and took over Northern France and 
took French wives, and the area became Normandy, and in the next century they 
invaded Britain and by that time they all spoke French. This lasted right 
Henry's the 8th court where it had been the official language at Court, 
Monsieur.  
https://www.worldhistory.org/Viking_Raids_on_Paris/#:~:text=Throughout%20the%209th%20century%20CE,at%20least%2C%20correlated%20with%20it.
What about Afghanistan? Their faith which they would die for as holy martyr's 
Shaheeds, is basically a plan to sacrifice now, in order to be with Allah in 
Paradise, for eternity. 
The Shahada is the first of 5 prayers the Faithful say every day. The Shahada 
is asking Allah to make me a martyr in his holy name. 
https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/529534
For the Muslim this is a chance to live past your own life and have eternity 
with Allah and family and friends.  Ask Samiya who will give forth an answer, 
not mine, his answer,  for he is a Muslim scholar. His view won't agree with 
mine, but this what humans do, disagree and fight. These guys in Afghanistan 
plan for the very long term indeed. Because logically if one is a believer, why 
not? White liberals always think that people deep down will possess their 
values, and that people are all the same. Not always!
But I say, if someone has an ideology, it eclipses the in-take of information, 
and yeah, this goes for the religious ideologists, ask an anthropologist. 
My only advice is 1. don't encourage the elites, the boards, of directors 
especially in making national and international policy. Woke corporations 
included.2. Focus on getting money to and expanding the middle class worldwide. 
Also in the USA. Charity begins at home said John Wycliffe. 
Yeah I know, nag nag nag blather blather, but this is what us idle peasants do.

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2021 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: Afghanistan papers

 
 
 On 8/19/2021 8:56 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
  On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:50 AM Henrik Ohrstrom <[email protected]> 
wrote:
    
  
   > The Soviets tried to murder Afghanistan to submission, and failed.  US is 
nowhere as violently murderous as the Soviets and Supriya! Killing for peace 
failed again! No-one are as good at murdering Afghanis as Afghanis. Not even 
old school great Britannia could murder enough to make a dent in Afghanistan.   
 
  Yeah, there's a reason Afghanistan has been called the Graveyard Of Empires. 
Since 2001 the USA has spent 2 trillion dollars fighting the Taliban, for that 
amount of money we could've given $54,000 to every man, woman and child living 
in Afghanistan, and in retrospect that might have actually been a better 
option.  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
   
 The total ultimate Afghan war bill is estimated as more than $6.4 trillion, 
according to the Cost of War Project at Brown University.  That includes the 
pension and medical costs which will be incurred over the next 80  years.  So 
we could have given them $164,000 per person.  Or we could have given every 
American $18,300.
 
 Brent
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