On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 20:29, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 7:50 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 19:35, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 18:12, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 5:50 PM Stathis Papaioannou < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 15:55, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/2021 6:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The probabilities come from the fact that observers consider >>>>>>> themselves unique individuals persisting through time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But that doesn't imply any kind of probability unless they regard >>>>>>> themselves as the one member of an ensemble that is unique, e.g. the one >>>>>>> that really exists or the one that's really me. Otherwise they are just >>>>>>> like the duplicate Captain Kirks. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Each copy does indeed feel as if they are the one true continuation >>>>>> of the original even though they know that they are not, because that is >>>>>> the nature of first person experience. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You still need to introduce an independent notion of probability >>>>> because each member must consider himself to be a random selection from >>>>> the >>>>> ensemble. The notion of a random selection cannot be defined without >>>>> reference to some prior notion of probability. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, but you don't need any specific theory about how your identity >>>> moves from one body into the next. >>>> >>> >>> >>> You just need some credible evidence that such a notion even begins to >>> make sense. >>> >> >> It makes sense that I feel myself to be a unique individual persisting >> through time, because everyone understands what it means. Some people try >> to come up with theories based on this feeling, such as the existence of an >> immaterial soul, but that doesn’t follow. My feeling that I am a unique >> individual persisting through time stands independently of whatever entity >> or gives rise to this feeling. >> > > I don't know where you think you are going with this. Continuation of > personal identity through time was not what we were talking about. > Persistence through time does not involve self-locating uncertainty from an > ensemble at a point in time. > If one version of me will see the atom decay and the other version of me will not see the atom decay, there is a 1/2 chance that I will see the atom decay, because of the symmetry of the situation and because I feel myself to be a unique individual persisting through time, even though I might know the objective details of what is occurring. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypV5pky05k18GsYMdQKXHF5n%2BfE8mb5Y2NDwRCWQvJUzZg%40mail.gmail.com.
