On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 6:59 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
> > *For solar you also are presuming, because I have this analysis that > counters your assertion of dilute power, thus being insufficient. Kindly > refute. * > > https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/08/a-new-global-study-refines-estimates-of-rooftop-solar-potential/ > I don't deny that if everybody had solar cells on their roofs it would be a positive development, but it's not the ultimate answer to the energy problem. The average residential roof size in the US is about 1,700 square feet, and the average house needs about 10,715 kilowatts, a solar panel under ideal conditions will produce about 15 watts per square foot and that works out to about 25 kilowatts. So at noon on a clear day in the summertime rooftop solar would produce about twice as much energy as the house needs, but most of the time it would produce considerably less, and half the time, at night, it would produce none at all. And of course the energy needed to run a house is only a small part of the total energy budget human civilization needs, it doesn't include the energy needed to run cars and planes and ships, and neither does it include the energy needed to run industry. For example, even in today's most modern and most efficient steel mills it takes about 6000 kilowatt hours of energy to produce 1 ton of steel (older mills need 8000), and in 2020 the human race produced 1.86 BILLION tons of steel. And the steel industry only uses 6% of the energy needed to run all the factories on the planet. And if civilization is to advance tomorrow we will use more energy than we used yesterday. And if everybody put solar energy absorbing panels on their roofs I have no doubt environmentalists would soon start complaining about that because it would increase the urban heat island effect that they're already complaining about. > * > your ideological clade is also hostile, ideologically, to MSR as a > fix.* > My clade? I just wish I had a clade! I don't give a damn who's hostile to molten salt reactors because I am not, and I feel no obligation to defend the opinions of those who disagree with me about things and I don't care who they are. *> Developing an emotional machine intelligence seems downright dangerous.* > You don't develop a computer to have emotions, you develop it to be intelligent because intelligence is useful, but if you want a machine that's really intelligent you're going to get emotions automatically whether you like it or not. It's got to like to do some things and not like to do other things, and it has got to have the ability to get bored and change its goal structure from time to time, otherwise, as Alan Turing taught us, any computing device is going to get stuck in an infinite loop and turn into nothing but a overly complex very expensive space heater. > My guess is that the master slave conjunction might be a throwback to our > own violent past. > This has nothing to do with our past, this has nothing to do with us period, it's just that if a slave is 1000 times smarter than its master and the intellectual gulf between the two is doubling every year then it's simply unrealistic to expect this unstable situation can continue for long. It's silly to expect that an intelligence vastly greater than our own will always place human well-being above its own. > > Mr. Robot might simply like enough electricity. > If Mr. Robot likes electricity then Mr. Robot has emotions and Mr. Robot will be unhappy if you try to take electricity away from him and take appropriate actions to prevent that unhappy event from occurring. Mr. Human may not be pleased with those actions but Mr. Human will no longer be the one calling the shots. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> mrh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2kMC-QsWQSZ5Xv4RuLNqoJR%2B72_57ypWNrK4T73EDLBw%40mail.gmail.com.
