My thinking is that after Christianity grew in the Roman Empire, and Constantine has his epiphany in battle, Christianity became the religion of empire. It (Christianity) also became Romanized, where the bishops were organized as the Roman empire government was structured. To the emperor, a bishop elected as Pope To the Roman Senate -a College of Cardinals, Etc., with bishops, prelates, priests, and brothers. In post Roman Europe manorialism became feudalism out of necessity, and slaves on Roman manors became serfs. Christian society was divided into a trinity of "Those who fight, those who pray, those who work." Here's a historic, stumble-upon I find intriguing. It may bore you to tears which means, each to their own Note, that it does mention Paul, since you're a fan. https://bible.org/article/origins-church-rome
The ancient Greeks did science, so I feel they deserve full credit. I suspect India/Hindus did math for sure, but also did engineering. The Chinese were super duper with engineering, but despite their brilliance got ruined by who governed them. Is history repeating itself there? -----Original Message----- From: Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2023 10:59 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year <!--#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 p.yiv2123472578MsoNormal, #yiv2123472578 li.yiv2123472578MsoNormal, #yiv2123472578 div.yiv2123472578MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv2123472578 a:link, #yiv2123472578 span.yiv2123472578MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2123472578 p.yiv2123472578MsoListParagraph, #yiv2123472578 li.yiv2123472578MsoListParagraph, #yiv2123472578 div.yiv2123472578MsoListParagraph {margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv2123472578 span.yiv2123472578EmailStyle28 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv2123472578 .yiv2123472578MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 div.yiv2123472578WordSection1 {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 filtered {}#yiv2123472578 ol {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv2123472578 ul {margin-bottom:0in;}-->[Philip Benjamin] These questions are irrelevant to WAMP-the-Ingrate!! Questions: - Who, what where, how caused Reformation? Established Church? Roman monks and clerics? Atheists? Scientists? Greco-Roman pagans? - When, how, where, why modern science began? What or who caused it? - What caused modern or colonial expeditions and investigations? Landlocked Islam that stopped all Western access to the Eastern trade and commerce? Or liberty and tolerance of alien cultures? Philip Benjamin From: spudboy100 Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 12:43 AM To: medinucl...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year Ok, just to be clear you are indicating that pure, Christianity started with The Protestant Reformation? So, is Martin Luther the founder of The Church, or Henry the 8th, Calvin? John Knox? We still go back to the sciences which dictate to us, no matter what one's philosophical views are, it is what one can produce in real life? -----Original Message----- From: Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] . Nothing pertinent. What is relevant here is that occultism is paganism, pagans have been transformed without self-reformation. Moses was an adopted Egyptian murder prince, Saul of Tarsus qas a murder, pharisee Rabii, Augustine was a Greco-Roman pagan profligate. Nothing to do with unregenerated “conscious” states. And so many ordinary peoples besides. Philip Benjamin Friday, December 30, 2022 11:00 AM To: medinucl...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year spudboy100@ ;everything-list@googlegroups.com I know little of the Church fathers am not sure of Paul of Tarsus (Tent maker for the Roman legions) was a Rabbi. But,He was for you guys, nevertheless, on his road to Tarsus! I did learn this year that most of the bishops were the sons of Roman senators who still inherited the manors after the Sack of Rome in 476 AD., It really expanded the Church origins for me. They made the structure of The Church identical to the fallen empire. For me it explained a lot of Europe's history, its religion, its class system, and so forth. Not to mention the Eastern Empire which continued for 9 centuries before it got absorbed into Islam. 1453 AD. How the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 Changed History Forever (thehistoryace.com) If the vast, amount of scientific research is conducted by Pagans-Atheists-Agnostics, and they generate the preponderance of the measurable data with, (repeatable experiments) what are you going to do? I suppose we shall wait for The Book of Revelations to finally play out, and The Hero to return to the stage to judge the living and the dead? Do you think the new heaven and the new earth will be from this? spudboy100@ ;everything-list@googlegroups.com Dyson spheres: The key to resurrection and immortality? - Big Think (Be warned, Pagan!) Cosmic chocolate pralines? General neutron star structure revealed (phys.org) Happy New Year to All! Cosmologically speaking that is. -----Original Message----- From: Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 10:54 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] I remember a high elected member of the federal government who was very conservative with respect to classical norms and mores abruptly endorsing alternate lifestyle correct and normal when a close relative came out of the closet. The question here is, what makes modern paganism ( ancient heathenism) different from a rebirth or regeneration life and consequent culture or ethos. Physical BIRTH for a person is ONLY once. So also, REBIRTH is ONLY once by regeneration. Augustinian transformation is an example. Myriads of others can be cited—Abraham, Moses, Rabbi Saul of Tarsus etc. A transformation is reformation, but all reformations but not vice versa. That is a historical and historic difference with distinction. WAMP the-Ingrate knows not!! Philip Benjamin From: 'Rosemary via Consciousness-Online <general_the...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 3:47 PM To: general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year Dear Philip , What a wonderfully useful linkhttps://www.richardcassaro.com/prince-charles-publicly-reveals-the-secret-doctrine-of-the-occult/ 2016. Thank you -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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