On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 9:31 AM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 7:06 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> Huh? How can you "*have **read quite extensively on Bell's theorem and >>> locality*" and not know that Bell's theorem is a test to see if any >>> theory that assumes* local realism* can account for experimental >>> observations? Hell if you did nothing but skim the Wikipedia article on >>> Bell's >>> theorem you should know that because the very first sentence is: >>> *"Bell's theorem is a term encompassing a number of closely related >>> results in physics, all of which determine that quantum mechanics is >>> incompatible with local hidden-variable theories"* >>> And just a few sentences later Wikipedia says: >>> *"Its derivation here depends upon two assumptions: first, that the >>> underlying physical properties and exist independently of being observed or >>> measured (sometimes called the assumption of realism); and second, that >>> Alice's choice of action cannot influence Bob's result or vice versa (often >>> called the assumption of locality)"* >>> >> >> > *Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not an authoritative source.* [...] *as >> I have said several times, "realism" has nothing to do with it.* >> > > So let's see...., Wikipedia is wrong, John Stewart Bell is wrong, and > high school algebra is wrong, but Bruce Kellett is absolutely positively > 100% correct. Have I got that about right? > Get a grip, John. That is not what I said. The Bell inequality can be derived without assuming realism, so realism is irrelevant to the issue. *> In fact, the assumption of realism is pretty meaningless because QM >> itself does not have this property -- it is intrinsically probabilistic and >> non-realist.* > > > What are you talking about? The non-existence of a property does not > render it meaningless, dragons don't exist but I know what the word means, > it's not gibberish. And like Quantum Mechanics Many Worlds is also > non-realistic, good thing too because otherwise it wouldn't match > experimental results. > You really have lost the plot, haven't you! Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLT9Vd%3D_fi-xLbTN3GOka98GH9TqQcBUOsuc75d2GxZFJw%40mail.gmail.com.
