On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 12:59 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:34 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > *>>> The Bell inequality can be derived without assuming realism* >>> >>> >>> >> Everybody is wrong from time to time, but some people just can't >>> admit it. >>> >> >> *>I am sorry that you think John Bell was wrong......* >> > > The violation of Bell's Inequality proves that things are not realistic > or not local or both, > I have said that and you denied it. QM is non-realistic anyway. The quantum violation of the Bell inequalities show that it is also non-local. So it is neither realistic nor local. No problems there. The violations of realism have nothing to do with Bell, since his derivation does not assume realism, despite your claims to the contrary. but there is another inequality called Leggett's inequality involving > linear and elliptical polarized light that can narrow down that > uncertainty. Leggett found his inequality in 2003 and it was > experimentally proven to be violated in 2010. Nature is probably the best > scientific journal in the world but I'm sure you'll say it's wrong just as > you claim that Wikipedia was wrong because it says that you are incorrect > and that the world is BOTH nonlocal AND non-realistic. > > "*Bell's inequality is established based on local realism.* > False. *The violation of Bell's inequality by quantum mechanics implies either > locality or realism or both are untenable. Leggett's inequality is derived > based on nonlocal realism.* > Whatever that might be. But it seems to be based on a form of realism, certainly. * The violation of Leggett's inequality implies that quantum mechanics is > neither local realistic nor nonlocal realistic.*" > > > Testing Leggett's Inequality Using Aharonov-Casher Effect > <https://www.nature.com/articles/srep02492> > > By now I think you know you were wrong, but of course you will never > admit it. > If you want to prove me wrong, give a local account of the violation of the Bell inequalities in non-realistic many worlds. MWI is both non-realistic and non-local. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLSzzBcO4S8G4h6trRPdSuPx%3D%3DHVcakFiNe3gkaPiCrGZw%40mail.gmail.com.
