@Ulrich. Who lied to you that consciousness runs on a substrate called "brain" ? Those churches called "universities" ?
On Monday 21 October 2024 at 21:14:10 UTC+3 Ulrich Stange wrote: > >>>Brain doesn't exist. "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. > > Consciousness tries to make sense of our experiences. Our experience is > that consciousness runs on a substrate we call “brain”. As model of what we > experience it is indeed an idea that exists in consciousness. That doesn’t > mean it doesn’t exist. Ideas can exist and can be about things that exist. > > >>>There are no such things as "best universities". They are all religions. > > That’s the old and long debunked “science is just another religion” > fallacy. > > >>>And religions have 0 value. > > That depends on your perspective. What you call value. Values are always > personal. > > >>>Trying to replicate "the brain" is like trying to replicate a shadow > and then wondering why it doesn't work like in reality. > > Well, sort of. Numerical models are never replicas. And they can never > fully simulate what they are model of because there are always random > events in play (e.g. at the quantum mechanical level) that can by their > very nature not be replicated. That’s why true “uploading” can never be > achieved. > > >>>Because what animates the shadow comes from outside the shadow. > > That’s if you consider a shadow as animated (as opposed to a succession of > shadows that that create the illusion of animation). In any case, that > analogy only works as long as there is an outside (e.g. it works within the > universe, but it doesn’t apply to the universe at large.) > > > On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-7 Ulrich Stange wrote: > >> Cosmin. Calling research by scientists at a number of some of the best >> universities in the world published in one of the most prestigious >> peer-reviewed science journals in the world “some hyped news article” is >> rather peculiar (to be polite). As for “You don't even know what exactly >> they did.”, the article goes into great detail about what exactly they did. >> In case you haven’t even read it, it is available here: >> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07763-9 >> >> >> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 11:55:58 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >>> @Russell. There is no impressive result at all. You don't even know what >>> exactly they did. You just read some hyped news article. Trololol. >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 October 2024 at 04:24:34 UTC+3 Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>>> Impressive result indeed. I can see this as a logical extension of >>>> work done in the '90s where crayfish brains were plasticised, sliced >>>> then imaged under electron microscopes, giving a 3D dataset of the >>>> brain structure. Nowhere near as detailed as this, though. >>>> >>>> Next step is to calculate the complexity of the drosophila brain. I did >>>> that a few years back for the C. Elegans brain - although I doubt my >>>> algorithms will be up to snuff, as they tend to be combinatorially >>>> complex - but who knows, I might get lucky. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2024 at 02:44:45PM -0400, John Clark wrote: >>>> > A fly has been uploaded. That's the takeaway I got after reading an >>>> article in >>>> > yesterday's issue of the journal Nature. Apparently Sebastian Seung, >>>> a leader >>>> > of the project, had a similar thought because he is quoted as saying: >>>> > >>>> > “Mind uploading has been science fiction, but now mind uploading — >>>> for a fly, >>>> > at least — is becoming mainstream science.” >>>> > >>>> > They put the brain of an adult fly in a bath of liquid plastic which >>>> soon >>>> > hardened into a solid block. Then they sliced the entire brain into >>>> 7,050 super >>>> > thin slices and took 21 million high resolution pictures of it. Then >>>> they wrote >>>> > a computer program that could look at all those pictures and trace >>>> which neuron >>>> > was connected to which; from that they were able to conclude that the >>>> fly brain >>>> > had 139,255 neurons and 50 million connections. Pretty impressive >>>> considering >>>> > that previously the best neuronal map was that of a worm that only >>>> had 385 >>>> > neurons, but that's not even the best part. They used the information >>>> about how >>>> > those 139,255 neurons were wired up to make a simulated fly brain on >>>> a >>>> > computer, and they obtained typical fly behavior! Sebastian Seung >>>> said: >>>> > >>>> > "We show that activation of sugar-sensing or water-sensing gustatory >>>> neurons in >>>> > the computational model accurately predicts neurons that respond to >>>> tastes and >>>> > are required for feeding initiation. In addition, using the model to >>>> activate >>>> > neurons in the feeding region of the Drosophila brain predicts those >>>> that >>>> > elicit motor neuron firing. Our results demonstrate that modelling >>>> brain >>>> > circuits using only synapse-level connectivity and predicted >>>> neurotransmitter >>>> > identity generates experimentally testable hypotheses and can >>>> describe complete >>>> > sensorimotor transformations." >>>> > >>>> > The researchers say their next target is uploading a mouse brain >>>> which has >>>> > about 1000 times more neurons than a fly brain. >>>> > >>>> > A Drosophila computational brain model reveals sensorimotor >>>> processing >>>> > >>>> > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>> > vo3 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > "Everything List" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email >>>> > to [email protected]. >>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ >>>> > everything-list/ >>>> > CAJPayv0cq_b1%3DxapUvBN7DUtaCQELWAvNmMAL9k16w1HZ2qK%3DQ% >>>> 40mail.gmail.com. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >>>> Principal, High Performance Coders [email protected] >>>> http://www.hpcoders.com.au >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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