@Quentin. So why do you think that the wokies want to exterminate the 
normal white men ?

On Wednesday 23 October 2024 at 10:10:25 UTC+3 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

> @Cosmin you're the typical troll... I know it's a disservice to answer 
> your post as it will incentive you to continue to do so, but could you 
> please end your selfish game or play it elsewhere. Also this message 
> doesn't exists Alan deleted it 🤔🤣 so you can't answer it *it's fool proof*
>
> Le mer. 23 oct. 2024, 09:03, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> [email protected]> a écrit :
>
>> @Quentin&all. You make the classical confusion between ontology and 
>> epistemology.
>>
>> On Wednesday 23 October 2024 at 09:57:43 UTC+3 Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mer. 23 oct. 2024, 08:43, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>> [email protected]> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> @Jesse, yes, it is a rational argument that you never touched a woman. 
>>>> How do you expect to know how women are if you never touched one ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Women don't exist, you're speaking from your fantasy not from reality. 🤔
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > You're speaking from your fantasy, not from reality.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 23 October 2024 at 00:31:09 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jesse, that was about as perfect of a reply to anyone as I've seen in 
>>>>> a long time. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 3:11 PM Jesse Mazer <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Undermining your own point a bit by responding to criticism with 
>>>>>> emotional lashing-out as opposed to reasoned argument
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:27 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Jesse. Probably you are still living in your parents basement and 
>>>>>>> never touched a woman if you say that men are not more logical than 
>>>>>>> women. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday 22 October 2024 at 21:15:43 UTC+3 Jesse Mazer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the connection between female hero stories and genocide of 
>>>>>>>> men? Would you analogously say that having more stories of non-white 
>>>>>>>> male 
>>>>>>>> heroes can only be due to wokies who want to genocide white people, or 
>>>>>>>> do 
>>>>>>>> you think there is something fundamentally different about the former? 
>>>>>>>> Either way I don't see any consistent pattern of female hero stories 
>>>>>>>> being 
>>>>>>>> rejected by the public, it seems to me to mostly depend on the quality 
>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> the writing (or gaming or action depending on genre). 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biology does mean women are statistically less physically strong 
>>>>>>>> and less prone to certain kinds of aggression, but in the animal 
>>>>>>>> kingdom we 
>>>>>>>> do see plenty of female violence even if not as associated with mating 
>>>>>>>> contests as it is with males (for example females of predator species 
>>>>>>>> sometimes do more hunting than males as with lions, many female 
>>>>>>>> animals 
>>>>>>>> engage in plenty of territorial violence against others of their 
>>>>>>>> species, 
>>>>>>>> and in one of our closest relatives the Bonobos, females form 
>>>>>>>> coalitions to 
>>>>>>>> fight back against males who might otherwise use their greater 
>>>>>>>> strength to 
>>>>>>>> dominate females: https://archive.ph/GEv46 ). My rule of thumb is 
>>>>>>>> that only those claimed differences between men and women that would 
>>>>>>>> make 
>>>>>>>> just as much sense when applied to other animals are plausibly 
>>>>>>>> strongly 
>>>>>>>> influenced by biology, those that would seem implausible if applied to 
>>>>>>>> say 
>>>>>>>> lions or bonobos (like the claim that men are more decisive or more 
>>>>>>>> logical 
>>>>>>>> than women) are more likely a result of culture, unless there is good 
>>>>>>>> evidence that goes beyond just observations of statistical differences 
>>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>>> behavior in the modern world. Good article here on the sex differences 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> tend to be seen in other primates: 
>>>>>>>> https://sites.pitt.edu/~bertsch/Lonsdorf-2016-Journal_of_Neuroscience_Research.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:31 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Jesse. The woke regime only increased its power in the last 
>>>>>>>>> couple of years. I don't know if it will continue, I cannot predict 
>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>> future. Maybe it will loose the war on the games and movies front and 
>>>>>>>>> they 
>>>>>>>>> it will slowly go away. Or maybe in spite of companies getting 
>>>>>>>>> bankrupt, it 
>>>>>>>>> will keep getting funded no matter the financial cost and then it 
>>>>>>>>> will just 
>>>>>>>>> go straight to extermination as the last measure to make sure they 
>>>>>>>>> win the 
>>>>>>>>> war. It remains to be seen what the outcome will be. One thing is 
>>>>>>>>> clear, 
>>>>>>>>> despite the regressive speech of PGC, people don't want woke. If they 
>>>>>>>>> would 
>>>>>>>>> have wanted, games and movies would have thrived. Instead, they keep 
>>>>>>>>> failing. The "female hero story" is not just "another cultural 
>>>>>>>>> thing", but 
>>>>>>>>> it goes against biology. If you go against biology you only create 
>>>>>>>>> repulsion in people. Sure, some desperate incels and simps will agree 
>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>> anything in the hope that they will finally lose their virginity at 
>>>>>>>>> 40 
>>>>>>>>> years old. But for normal people, "strong and independent woman" just 
>>>>>>>>> creates a sense of disgust and repulsion because it goes against 
>>>>>>>>> biology. 
>>>>>>>>> As the saying goes: You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the 
>>>>>>>>> effects of ignoring reality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 22 October 2024 at 20:18:13 UTC+3 Jesse Mazer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think are the prominent players in "the woke regime"? 
>>>>>>>>>> Do you think Obama and Biden were *not* part of the woke regime, and 
>>>>>>>>>> if 
>>>>>>>>>> they are, what's your explanation for why they didn't try to 
>>>>>>>>>> exterminate 
>>>>>>>>>> their political enemies? If they're not part of it, do you think 
>>>>>>>>>> Kamala 
>>>>>>>>>> Harris is any more likely to be, and if so why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:03 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything 
>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @PGC.  "By invoking extreme language like "exterminate," the 
>>>>>>>>>>> original poster distorts reality"
>>>>>>>>>>> So you never opened a history book in your life to see how 
>>>>>>>>>>> totalitarian regimes exterminated millions of people ? Do you think 
>>>>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>>>>> when the woke regime will take the power you will be spared ? You 
>>>>>>>>>>> are right 
>>>>>>>>>>> there in their list. Together with Alan Grayson and other white 
>>>>>>>>>>> knights 
>>>>>>>>>>> that believe they will get cookie points for being good dogies for 
>>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>>> regime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 22 October 2024 at 18:56:01 UTC+3 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 8:53:12 AM UTC-6 PGC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before proceeding with an informal analysis of "Why do the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ? Their parents 
>>>>>>>>>>>> neglected 
>>>>>>>>>>>> them when they were kids ? Where does their hatred towards 
>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity come 
>>>>>>>>>>>> from ?", I want to preface this response by clarifying that by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reply to the original post, *I am not engaging in what I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe to be a good faith discussion*. The original poster's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> intentions are unclear when resorting to discursive strategies 
>>>>>>>>>>>> like the one 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just cited. Their motivations could stem from a variety of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> factors: a cry 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for help, escapist behavior, a lack of validation, lack of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> education, lack 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of exposure to rigorous arguments, or other unfortunate 
>>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather than engage in a debate about the specifics of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> statement, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no interest in, I will instead offer a bit of analysis to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain 
>>>>>>>>>>>> why such an attempt may be fruitless. This is not merely a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> response to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> isolated comment but a reflection on a broader issue in online 
>>>>>>>>>>>> discourse, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of which the cited statement is merely one example. I believe this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is worth bringing to the list's attention, as it represents a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> significant 
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem in how discussions unfold online.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The statement, "Why do the wokies want to exterminate the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal white men? Their parents neglected them when they were 
>>>>>>>>>>>> kids? Where 
>>>>>>>>>>>> does their hatred towards humanity come from?" is emblematic of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reactionary 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric that simplifies complex issues and creates a false binary 
>>>>>>>>>>>> between 
>>>>>>>>>>>> victimized "normal white men" and the so-called "wokies." This 
>>>>>>>>>>>> phrasing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dehumanizes (inconsistent for someone who keeps mentioning "the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> god in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone") and mischaracterizes those who advocate for progressive 
>>>>>>>>>>>> causes, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> while amplifying an exaggerated sense of victimhood for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker's own 
>>>>>>>>>>>> demographic. By invoking extreme language like "exterminate," the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> original 
>>>>>>>>>>>> poster distorts reality, casting themselves as a target of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent 
>>>>>>>>>>>> aggression because the streaming they consume, does not align with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "values". Deep stuff that feeds the original poster's research, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> one is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> inclined to guess. Such tactics are designed to stoke fear and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> deflect 
>>>>>>>>>>>> attention from more substantive, nuanced discussions about race, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gender, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> social justice, and theories of everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, the insinuation that progressives suffer from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> childhood neglect ("Their parents neglected them when they were 
>>>>>>>>>>>> kids?") 
>>>>>>>>>>>> introduces an ad hominem attack that serves no purpose other than 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> invalidate the proponents of these causes. This rhetorical move 
>>>>>>>>>>>> deflects 
>>>>>>>>>>>> from any genuine engagement with the issues at hand and instead 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reduces the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> debate to personal insult, a common technique in bad-faith 
>>>>>>>>>>>> argumentation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The emotional charge of this statement, combined with its lack of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> intellectual substance, makes it clear that this is not an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> invitation to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue but rather an attempt to provoke and polarize.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The original poster’s framing of this issue also reflects a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> broader phenomenon in modern discourse, where progressive 
>>>>>>>>>>>> movements are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonized as harboring a deep-seated "hatred towards humanity." 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects an inversion of reality, where efforts to expand rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> address inequality are recast as hostile, destructive forces. In 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this way, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the speaker avoids confronting the merits of progressive arguments 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead presents a distorted caricature, which provides a shield 
>>>>>>>>>>>> against 
>>>>>>>>>>>> critical engagement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The original poster's belief that media (such as "The Acolyte" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> or Marvel) is part of a woke conspiracy to undermine traditional 
>>>>>>>>>>>> values 
>>>>>>>>>>>> further illustrates a paranoid response to cultural change. The 
>>>>>>>>>>>> presence of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> female heroes is not evidence of a conspiracy, but rather part of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a broader 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and overdue shift towards diversity in storytelling. This paranoia 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a discomfort with modern cultural dynamics and a desire to retreat 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagined past where certain identities and roles were dominant. In 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> way, the statement serves to entrench a worldview that resists 
>>>>>>>>>>>> change and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> views any challenge to established norms as part of a sinister 
>>>>>>>>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, the original poster's *view of academia as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> indoctrinated churches* while simultaneously attempting to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> publish unverified research without citations highlights a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> profound 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cognitive dissonance. This reflects a common pattern in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual 
>>>>>>>>>>>> populist rhetoric: a desire to gain recognition from academic 
>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions 
>>>>>>>>>>>> while rejecting their methods and standards. The speaker's disdain 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> citations—seeing them as unnecessary for someone who believes they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> hold 
>>>>>>>>>>>> original insights—indicates a *lack of engagement with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> intellectual rigor*. This is particularly telling given that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> many of the ideas they hold may in fact originate from others, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>>>>>> refusal to cite these sources points to both intellectual 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonesty and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> insecurity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The original poster's *immaterialist beliefs*, viewed as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> literally proven fact rather than as one metaphysical framework 
>>>>>>>>>>>> among many, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflect the rigid, absolutist thinking typical of ideologues. By 
>>>>>>>>>>>> treating 
>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphysical assumptions as incontrovertible, the speaker avoids 
>>>>>>>>>>>> engaging 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the diversity of thought in philosophy and science, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> preferring to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> present their ideas as beyond reproach. This kind of *epistemic 
>>>>>>>>>>>> closure*—where one’s worldview is sealed off from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism—makes productive discourse nearly impossible, as any 
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissed as ignorance or error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The tendency to *insult dissenters as sexually frustrated 
>>>>>>>>>>>> virgins* adds another layer of psychological projection. This 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ad hominem attack aims to belittle opponents by reducing their 
>>>>>>>>>>>> intellectual 
>>>>>>>>>>>> positions to personal failings, specifically around sexuality, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> which the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker likely views as a central axis of human worth!? This 
>>>>>>>>>>>> insult betrays 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a *deep-seated insecurity*, where the speaker’s own identity 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is bolstered by denigrating the supposed sexual inadequacies of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> others. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s a form of argumentation that sidesteps real discussion and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead 
>>>>>>>>>>>> turns to *personal degradation* as a distracting attack 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In examining this pattern of discourse, it is important to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *recognize 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the continual engagement with such bad-faith statements often 
>>>>>>>>>>>> leads 
>>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere*. The poster’s reliance on goalpost-shifting—changing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the terms of the debate when confronted with criticism—*is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> known tactic designed to exhaust interlocutors and avoid genuine 
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution*. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well-meaning individuals who attempt to reason with the original 
>>>>>>>>>>>> poster 
>>>>>>>>>>>> often fall into this trap, giving the poster more opportunities to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> provoke 
>>>>>>>>>>>> further with each response. This cycle underscores the difficulty 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing misinformation and ideological manipulation in online 
>>>>>>>>>>>> spaces, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> where time is scarce, and the production of misinformation is both 
>>>>>>>>>>>> quick 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and easy. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In conclusion, the aim of this analysis is not to engage with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the original statement as if it were a genuine attempt at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue, nor to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimize the assumptions embedded in it. Rather, it is to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> illustrate a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> broader issue with online discourse, where misinformation, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> distortion, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad-faith arguments proliferate. The time required to unpack 
>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed 
>>>>>>>>>>>> assumptions and correct biases is far greater than the time it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> takes to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> produce these provocations. *Even this analysis, in its 
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to dissect the issue, risks legitimizing the original 
>>>>>>>>>>>> poster’s 
>>>>>>>>>>>> intent simply by acknowledging it*. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, I encourage people to be cautious in how we engage 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with such statements and recognize when the effort to respond is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> counterproductive. The science of misinformation is still young, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and while 
>>>>>>>>>>>> there are no easy solutions, it is crucial to remain aware of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamics 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at play. Loaded questions and provocations are easy to produce, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> contextualizing and correcting them is cumbersome—a reality that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the challenges of meaningful discourse in the digital age. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, as more people are exposed to rigorous, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence-based discussions, they will become more adept at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying 
>>>>>>>>>>>> these tactics and will focus on fostering genuine dialogue rather 
>>>>>>>>>>>> than 
>>>>>>>>>>>> being drawn into fruitless exchanges. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This imbalance creates the known dilemma for anyone attempting 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to engage with bad-faith arguments. It's also an oversight in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> education, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that nowadays overemphasizes competence acquisition over critical 
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought 
>>>>>>>>>>>> (as this is hard to measure and the testing industry relies on 
>>>>>>>>>>>> quantitative 
>>>>>>>>>>>> results because economic ideology with performance orientation 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dominates 
>>>>>>>>>>>> developing critical thought ability) as the many fruitless online 
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions that everybody has experienced can indicate: it is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-trivial problem as "do not feed the troll" can also be abused 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> marginalize speakers etc. as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Predictably, the type of approach of the original poster will 
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to flood the list with similar statements and continue to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdirect attention with provocations etc. I will neither reply to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad 
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith replies of the original poster, nor will I concern myself 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with them 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than a few seconds. But I can console the original 
>>>>>>>>>>>> poster: I do 
>>>>>>>>>>>> want my 30 minutes back, and in this sense, the original poster is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "victorious". He managed to make me regret this waste of time. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for having perhaps wasted any reader's time in so doing but I do 
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the problem of misinformation in the online world is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger/deeper 
>>>>>>>>>>>> than we give it credit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Excellently written and exactly correct on the substance. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, AG*
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 2:49:32 PM UTC+2 Cosmin Visan 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to exterminate the normal white men ? They were the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> oppressors and you were the oppressed and now you want to take 
>>>>>>>>>>>> revenge in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the classical marxist style ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 22 October 2024 at 15:03:34 UTC+3 John Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:03 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *> Why do the wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Normal white men don't exist.  *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *> Their parents neglected them*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Parents don't exist. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * > when they were kids ? *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Kids don't exist. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *> Where does their hatred towards humanity come from ?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Humanity doesn't exist. But unfortunately you do seem to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
>>>>>>>>>>>> ude
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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