On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 4:56 PM Terren Suydam <[email protected]>
wrote:

*> I'm not saying he should be cancelled. I'm only calling out that his
> apology fell flat*


*Can you give an example of an apology that did NOT fall flat and as a
result caused an un-cancellation?  *

>  *expecting better of people who make these kinds of mistakes -
> especially when they're in positions of privilege and power.*


*27 years ago Nick Bostrom was not in a position of privilege and power, he
was just a guy on the Extropian mailing list who wrote some stuff. I was on
that same mailing list at the time and knew nothing about him except that
he seemed pretty smart. I recall debating with him over some things, but I
don't remember that particular email. *

*Incidentally, have you read Bostrom's entire apology? If not you can read
it below, I thought it was about as good as an apology can be but that's
not good enough;  I could've told him it wouldn't cause an un-cancellation.
Even if Bostrom found the cure for cancer tomorrow some people, some very
loud people, would still say because of that 27 year old email he was as
evil as a Nazi concentration camp guard.   *

*Apology for an old email * <https://nickbostrom.com/oldemail.pdf>

*If I was running for political office today I'm sure somebody would look
through the Extropian List archives and find something that I wrote that
would cause me to lose votes, but I wouldn't apologize for them because,
although some of the things I said turned out to be incorrect, given what I
knew at the time I don't think anything I said back then was particularly
stupid. And besides, an apology wouldn't do any good, I still wouldn't get
elected. *

*John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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