On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:39:16 PM UTC+1 Russell Standish wrote:



This has been proposed before - by my friend Duraid Madina, where he 
forked the list into a moderated one. It did not fare well. Nobody 
moved to the new list, it was as dead as a doornail. He is now working 
on other things in his life


Ok, but that was because the "level" of some posts were seen as 
objectionable or some feuds re issues were never put to rest.
 



So sadly, we have to deal with trolls by ignoring them. It wouldn't be 
so bad if people kept things on-topic, but even then it seems we can't 
help ourselves. 


I agree there could be some component of lack of impulse control in denying 
engagement but this time it seems different: months, close to a year of 
continued ddos by several non-contributors with malicious/psychiatric 
overtones. Why would members who do care not stand up to it? This used to 
be (even in recent years; not just the golden era) at least a good filter 
for scientific news, with everybody's heads in different journals, 
consuming different media, and aggregating them here, aside from occasional 
stimulating discussion on ensemble theories. 
 

Every 4 years, this list gets dominated by discussion 
of the US election, as does every other internet discuss fora. For us 
non Americans, who have absolutely no influence on the outcome, it 
does get a tad tedious.


Given the news landscape and all its noise, even if discussion has gone off 
topic, there was more value. But ddos and rigid, insecure, impulsive 
spamming of personal beliefs (of course, you can have and defend those on 
occasion, but...) should trigger some voting mechanism with the most senior 
list members (not counting myself among them, because I'm not). 

Just take the most recent example when one of our candidates, our resident 
god, a devout Christian celebrating the birth of Christ went home and had 
mom wash his underpants from the next life stains accumulated by months at 
his screen again: the list quieted down and didn't mess with everybody's 
zen as much.

IDK but solving this proactively could be the issue that prevents the list 
itself from becoming the abandoned fork... because it isn't the same.  

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