On Sunday, March 9, 2025 at 6:02:22 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 12:51 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: *>>>> Recent events have proven that computer scientists have figured out the relationship between mind and matter well enough to be able to turn inert matter into a mind. Meanwhile Hindu gurus and Yoga adepts are doing the exact same thing they've been doing for thousands of years, contemplating their navels and making zero progress on understanding how the world works. * *>>> Contemplating one's navel is hugely harder to do than you think.* *>>Playing the piano with your feet, even if it's only done very poorly, is also extremely difficult, however like navel gazing it will not help you one bit in understanding how the world works. * *> How would you know without trying to navel gaze**,* *Everybody engages in woolgathering, a.k.a. navel gazing, from time to time, but the more time you spend on that the less time you can spend on figuring out how the world works. That's why yogis and gurus are preaching exactly the same stuff they were preaching a thousand years ago, they have found nothing new so they have nothing new to say. * * > **Since you can't *define [it] *As I have said before, I have something far far better than a definition, I have examples. And for me the most important example of consciousness is me. * *> and more important you don't know how it comes to exist, * *Thanks to very recent developments I now know of two ways consciousness can come to exist:1) Through random mutation and natural selection, which produces intelligence, which produces consciousness, although that process is very slow. * *2) Consciousness can also be achieved through the administrations of computer scientists, but unlike Evolution this way is exponentially fast. * *> you can't assert a black box has it. * *Am I allowed to assert that one of my fellow human beings, yourself for example, is conscious, at least when you're not sleeping or under anesthesia or dead? If your answer is yes then why isn't that the same answer for a black box that behaves the same way? Is it really of fundamental cosmic importance that one of you has a brain that is wet and squishy while the other has a brain that is dry and hard? * * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* You're hopelessly deluded. You live a life in mundane ignorance, You have no chance to grasp the reality discovered by yogis and gurus. AG aia, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5de1ebdb-9b4a-4b29-b61f-48810b2497can%40googlegroups.com.
