On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:00, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > This is one of my pet peeves actually, I *hate* that when you click on > the toolbar it gets the keyboard focus. You never want that; it's > annoying e.g. if you want to cut / paste some text, and you have to use > the mouse to bring the focus back where you want it.
Agreed, toolbars are a bit of a special case... it's very rare that you'd ever want to focus a toolbar control (other than some sort of list/combo) with the mouse since there's almost never anything further you can do with it once it has focus. (And in gtk 2.4 we'll finally have a consistent way of navigating to any toolbar from the keyboard anyway, for those who need to.) It's debatable whether that applies here, though, since both halves of the attachment button are (or should be) futher manipulable from the keyboard once they have focus. In fact you should probably really even be able to use Ctrl-C on a focused attachment button to copy the attachment (followed by Ctrl-V to paste it into a file manager window), as an accesible alternative to dragging and dropping it. > Hmm maybe this would be a better fix, but I am not sure. The user still > expects the vertical cursor keys to move the focus around... True, I guess if you had multiple attachments, users might expect vertical arrow keys to move focus to move between them rather than just scrolling the page. Having said that, we've been pretty careful since the GNOME 2.0 days only to document [Shift-]Tab as the means of moving focus *between* controls (even though arrow keys still kind of work in most places), and arrow keys for moving focus *within* controls: see http://www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/2.2/keynav-1.html#keynav-2. But I guess even that's a bit of a grey area here... does the HTML view count as a "control" itself...? (I'd say probably not, from the user's perspective.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems _______________________________________________ evolution-hackers maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
