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----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: evolution digest, Vol 1 #370 - 15 msgs > Send evolution mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of evolution digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Ettore Perazzoli) > 2. Re: Lost Contacts in 1.4.3 (Ettore Perazzoli) > 3. Re: Duplicates removal (Denis O. Mikhalkin) > 4. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Owen Barder) > 5. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli) > 6. UI Selection in the new version. (Matthew A. R. Sherian) > 7. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Ettore Perazzoli) > 8. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Mike Kestner) > 9. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Itzchak Rehberg) > 10. Re: Evolution Default Browser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 11. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli) > 12. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli) > 13. Re: Evolution Default Browser (D. D. Brierton) > 14. Re: UI Selection in the new version. (Ettore Perazzoli) > 15. Re: How do I keep message list from resorting? (Stuart Luppescu) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Owen Barder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Jeffrey Stedfast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:30:10 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:19, Owen Barder wrote: > > This is definitely something I would find useful, if you could put it on > > to the "To Do" list for the next release. > > For 2.0 we are should probably change the offline behavior so that it > starts caching all the messages in the background when you connect so > you have a copy of all messages at all times. Michael also had some > neat ideas about providing configurable filters to decide what gets > cached... > > This was mentioned either here or on the hackers list (I forget which > right now). > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Lost Contacts in 1.4.3 > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Geoff Steer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:33:14 -0400 > > On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:01, Geoff Steer wrote: > > I've recently upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4.3. At the same time, I've upgraded > > from RH7.3 to RH9. > > I can see the contacts when I select the Contacts Icon, all the data is > > present and correct. > > When create a new mail and try to select a contact, the addres list > > popup appears but is blank. If I type the first few characters of the > > email address I'm looking for, it does appear in the address line (To: > > CC: etc) > > There is no error message shown when this happens > > None of the many suggestions for recovery address book contacts seem to > > have any effect. > > Can you try re-setting the default contact folders in the configuration > dialog? That should fix it. > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Duplicates removal > From: "Denis O. Mikhalkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Jeffrey Stedfast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Organization: Elbrus/MCST > Date: 23 Jul 2003 19:40:24 +0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:10, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:56, Denis O. Mikhalkin wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > is there a way to set up Evolution to remove duplicate messages in a > > > folder? > > > > no > > > > > If not, can I propose such a feature? > > > > it's been proposed multiple times, the problem is how to do it without > > risking losing some of the users mail. > > > > - Message-Id headers are not guarenteed to be unique and so we can't > > base duplicate message deletion on that > > > > - We can't just compare headers either as mailing-list software will > > often munge some ehaders and maybe even add a few of its own. > > > > - We can't just compare the message body either, as mailing lists often > > add their own footer. Might be possible to auto-detect these footers > > when they are added to a text/plain body part, however I'm not sure it'd > > be so easy if the message was a multipart. Some mailing-list software > > actually correctly adds the signature as its own MIME part, some just > > append the signature no matter what (so in the case of a multipart - the > > signature becomes the multipart's postface) > > > > could probably be done, but it would be a painfully slow operation > > (comparing large bodies of text is just gonna be slow...) > > > > or maybe we could strip the mailing-list signature and md5sum it and > > cache that value...? even so, it seems like a lot of effort. when do we > > remove th md5sum from the cache? never? when the message it belongs to > > gets deleted? expunged? if never, that cache will get massive quickly > > for some of us... if you remove md5sums when their message gets deleted, > > this makes the backend significantly more complex :-( > > > > the other issue that needs to be dealt with is that if you see > > "downloading 200 messages" and all 200 are the exact same mail that you > > already have downloaded, wouldn't you be a little frightened that you > > lost mail if after the download completes, you have no new mail? most > > people would probably freak out and think evo 'ate' their mail. > > > > I suppose the easiest way to solve this would be to make it a menu item > > to run manually... > Thoughts: > - surely it shouldn't be automatic, manual, with short-cut. > > - the algorithm should be working that way so it doesn't delete > different messages. But if he misses some duplicates it is ok. It might > be based on headers I think, no body comparision is needed. If header is > changed - ok, we miss some duplicates. > > - there is already successul implementation used by big number of users, > TheBat, which has "Kill Duplicates" action on folder. May be you can > just "import" the algorithm from it? It is described in its help system > in details. I was using it for a long time and I was satisfied on its > success/miss ratio. > > Denis > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:34:10 +0100 (BST) > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP > From: "Owen Barder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ettore Perazzoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Owen Barder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Jeffrey Stedfast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ettore > > That sounds perfect! > > When is 2.0 expected? > > Owen > > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:19, Owen Barder wrote: > >> This is definitely something I would find useful, if you could put it on > >> to the "To Do" list for the next release. > > > > For 2.0 we are should probably change the offline behavior so that it > > starts caching all the messages in the background when you connect so > > you have a copy of all messages at all times. Michael also had some > > neat ideas about providing configurable filters to decide what gets > > cached... > > > > This was mentioned either here or on the hackers list (I forget which > > right now). > > > > -- Ettore > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:40:02 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:25, guenther wrote: > > Well, what about at least a button to launch the capplet? > > Where would the button go exactly? I'd rather not have the clutter. > > The main problem, as I see it, is with non-GNOME users... Maybe in that > case we should auto-detect what desktop the user is running under and > launch the appropriate browser? > > (However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out e.g. > what browser KDE is configured to use. If we can just launch an > executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.) > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Matthew A. R. Sherian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:49:05 -0400 > Subject: [Evolution] UI Selection in the new version. > > Are we, the users, going to be forced to use the new "Entourage" > interface or will we have the option of maintaining the Classic > "Outlook" style. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Owen Barder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Jeffrey Stedfast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:51:37 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:34, Owen Barder wrote: > > Ettore > > > > That sounds perfect! > > > > When is 2.0 expected? > > We don't know yet. :-) Lots of ideas so far, but not a specific plan > we are committing to. > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: Mike Kestner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:01:28 -0500 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:40, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > > (However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out e.g. > > what browser KDE is configured to use. If we can just launch an > > executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.) > > Doing this on an app-by-app basis is wrong. > > These types of issues should be referred to the freedesktop.org lists. > I'm sure they already understand the need for cross-desktop global > config settings like this, but if they saw how often this question comes > up here, they might be inclined to raise the priority of a solution. > > -- > Mike Kestner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: Itzchak Rehberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 18:04:13 +0200 > > > > AFAIK it is even planned to offer a Settings UI within Evolution to > > > change default browser (options: "Gnome default" with ability to launch > > > the capplet; custom browser). Don't remember bugzilla number, though, if > > > it really is filed. > > Actually, I don't think that's a good idea... The settings in the > > desktop should suffice. > > The issues people are having should be fixed in the desktop, instead of > > being worked around in Evolution. > > Ettore, I would agree to you in most points. But there are several > things to consider the same time: > > 1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone > 2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC > > The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had > to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes > those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning > font problems). > > So in fact, this would be a really "nice-to-have" for some settings like > fonts and - maybe - the browser issue. Of course it should not cover > themes and all those other stuff :-) > > Izzy. > > -- > Itzchak Rehberg > http://www.qumran.org/homes/izzy/ > http://www.izzysoft.de/ > "We have joy, we have fun, we boot Linux on our SUN..." > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:04:42 -0700 > > > <Heresy> > > How about a KDE version? > > </Heresy> > > name withheld to protect the innocent > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mike Kestner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:11:36 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:01, Mike Kestner wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:40, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > > (However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out e.g. > > > what browser KDE is configured to use. If we can just launch an > > > executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.) > > > > Doing this on an app-by-app basis is wrong. > > I agree. However, it would make people happy until we have a common > standard to use... > > > These types of issues should be referred to the freedesktop.org lists. > > I'm sure they already understand the need for cross-desktop global > > config settings like this, but if they saw how often this question comes > > up here, they might be inclined to raise the priority of a solution. > > Yes. I am pretty sure this has been discussed before, however there is > no spec at this point (that I know of anyways) so I am fine with having > a workaround for now. These things take time. :-) > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Itzchak Rehberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:16:52 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:04, Itzchak Rehberg wrote: > > 1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone > > Why? I don't think that's a common enough case to be worth the hassle. > > > 2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC > > > > The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had > > to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes > > those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning > > font problems). > > Yeah, in this case it looks like a desktop integration issue to me. > GNOME apps and KDE apps should just be sharing the same set of font > settings... Actually I thought at this point they already did, through > the XSETTINGS stuff? > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/xsettings-spec/ > > (I didn't actually read all your posts, I have been drowning in mail for > a couple weeks... Sorry if I am missing the point. :-)) > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser > From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Organization: DZR Web Development > Date: 23 Jul 2003 17:19:30 +0100 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:04, Itzchak Rehberg wrote: > > > Ettore, I would agree to you in most points. But there are several > > things to consider the same time: > > > > 1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone > > 2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC > > > > The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had > > to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes > > those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning > > font problems). > > > > So in fact, this would be a really "nice-to-have" for some settings like > > fonts and - maybe - the browser issue. Of course it should not cover > > themes and all those other stuff :-) > > I honestly think this is better solved by going to the root of the > problem - the different configuration systems used by the various > desktops. I think it would be much more productive to support > freedesktop.org's efforts in unifying some of these settings across > desktops (e.g. preferred fonts, preferred browser) than by adding hacky > workarounds to Evolution. > > Best, Darren > > -- > ===================================================================== > D. D. Brierton [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dzr-web.com > Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) > ===================================================================== > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] UI Selection in the new version. > From: Ettore Perazzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Matthew A. R. Sherian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:22:20 -0400 > > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:49, Matthew A. R. Sherian wrote: > > Are we, the users, going to be forced to use the new "Entourage" > > interface or will we have the option of maintaining the Classic > > "Outlook" style. > > Nobody will be "forced" in the sense that we wouldn't be putting a gun > to your head to use it. :-) > > But yeah, if we go with the new architecture, there won't be a way to > switch back to the old way. > > -- Ettore > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Subject: Re: [Evolution] How do I keep message list from resorting? > From: Stuart Luppescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Organization: University of Chicago > Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:47:18 -0500 > > > --=-pAHfYhNRA+rSn31all5b > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On ?? 2003-07-23 at 10:27, Stuart Luppescu wrote: > > I was very happy when the message list stopped automatically resorting > > when I upgraded to 1.2, but one folder still does it. Each time I delete > > a message, everything resorts and I have to relocate the highlight to > > the top of the unread messages. It's a royal pain. I looked in > > ~/evolution/config.xmldb, but I could find anything special about the > > one folder that still resorts. Can someone PLEASE tell me where to set > > this? > > Never mind. I think I solved this. I had View -> Current View set to > some custom view. When I reset it to Messages, this annoying behavior > went away. > > This must be another corollary to Murphy's (?) Law: The minute after you > post a message to a list asking a question you find the answer yourself. > (Very similar to the law that states, ``The day after you throw > something away (or delete a mail message) after keeping it for years > that's when you discover you really needed it.'') > --=20 > Stuart Luppescu -=3D- s-luppescu .at. uchicago.edu =20 > University of Chicago -=3D- CCSR=20 > =1B$B:MJ8$HCRF`H~$NIc=1B(B -=3D- Kernel 2.4.20-xfs-r3 =20 > Optimism is the content of small men in high > places. -- F. 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