Blah blah blah. I cut my teeth replacing Banyan. Sure, Banyan had a great directory, but it had zero ISV support so it was practically useless. My own employer, which was maybe the third largest Banyan customer ever, used the directory almost solely for e-mail. Banyan offered only the blue mail DOS 80x25 client. To get a nice looking Windows-based client, you had to buy yet another third-party product. (MailMan or Shark!Mail--I still have the shark fin.) You were limited to a hard-coded 1,000 messages in your mailbox. When I showed people in my company the Exchange address book, populated with data I replicated from various directories (VINES being the main one), almost everyone was amazed that they could see phone numbers. Banyan didn't have a calendar product, and the add-on products were clunky and poorly integrated. To connect Banyan Mail to the Internet, you had to buy a third-party product. (Which one do you use? Incognito?) And don't get me started on those friggin' hardware server keys.
To use an analogy, VINES had great plumbing but no fixtures. Banyan had a vastly superior product to Novell for medium-to-large-size enterprises, but Novell had a far superior marketing strategy. They embraced ISVs and sold to departments. Banyan had no ISV support and sold to the enteprise. At that time, departments were doing the buying, not central IT departments, so Novell sold boxes while Banyan languished. Banyan didn't help themselves in that regard with a server-based pricing model that made their product prohibitively expensive to deploy in small offices. For e-mail Exchange Server 4.0 beta 2 with the Exchange client put Banyan Mail to shame and there's been no looking back. I know of what I speak. In a Q&A session, Banyan CEO (at the time) David Mahoney was so offended by my question about his company's precarious financial situation he unsuccessfully tried to get me fired! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Eddie Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? LOL some of you guys are funny. You have successfully inflamed the new guy. I know I am going to receive NO LOVE for this post, but the truth must be said. Banyan's Directory is what Microsoft has been trying to implement for the past 10 years. The Banyan technology is still superior as evidenced by the struggle of our efforts to do ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@* message) what I was able to do in 1990. I mean here we are over 15 years later and still can't do it. It's like the caveman (Banyan) invented the wheel but Microsoft invented a marketing + a square wheel and is still trying to keep up as they casually attempt to round the corners on their model hoping no one notices. The fortune 50 used Banyan Vines, the Marines used Banyan exclusively, Verizon had over 1,500 Servers Nation wide, GE, GTE, a (insert sarcasm) small power company in California that provided electricity to the West Coast used Banyan vines... NOTE: even I realize I am saying all of this in past tense... But I still receive emails from folks that have over 200 Banyan Servers being operated by 2 network admins... /shrug Welcome to the new age!!! Microsoft has done two things, standardized the server hardware and field of lemmings (my shop included) while cementing the hatred of those who would travel 2,000 miles to Redmond just to spit. I type this P.C. (Pre-Coffee) let me go get a cup of Java, oh wait Microsoft stole that... <Grin> Is anyone else upset about the Java situation? We know now that a "security patch" can also be a move by Microsoft to avoid court judgments removing code that was illegal (referring to Java code) of course after they do that non of the Java apps. /ALE > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Michael B. Smith > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:56 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > > Uphill with no shoes in the snow. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Martin Blackstone > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:37 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > > Then they would leave the cave before dark, catch a saber tooth tiger, > and smash a woman over the head with their clubs, then drag her home. > All before it got dark. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed > Crowley [MVP] > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:28 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > > You're lucky you've just moved to Exchange. I worked with Banyan Mail > many years ago, connecting Exchange 4.0 to it and writing a directory > replication program for one of the largest Banyan shops ever. This > feature wasn't available in the previous four versions of > Exchange--you'd have to code up a little script or program to make > these kinds of lists or populate them manually. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Albert Eddie > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:57 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > Importance: High > > ROCK ON!!! > > http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Query_Based_Distribution_G > roups.html > > Thanks Derek!!! /ALE > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Derek Harris > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:02 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > > > > Use a query-based distribution group; you can tailor it to what you > > want, and don't have to manually add/remove addresses. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Albert Eddie > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:02 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Sending [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* messages? > > > > Hello Exchange-L, > > > > First time user... Heard you guys were TOUGH on ding-bats who ask > > without doing due diligence, so give me a sec to don and clear my > > Asbestos suit. > > > > I am looking for a utility that will help me manage (test) exchange > > lists. > > > > Back in the hay-day of the Banyan Mail we used to be able to send a > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]@* email message, then again we could limit who had > access to that > > ability by group, by org or down to the user level. > > > > I have NOT found the same ability in Exchange. > > > > We are using Exchange 2003 on Windows 2003 Enterprise servers > > interfacing that with Outlook 2003. > > > > YES I know I could Google the utilities, but that does not give me > > first hand knowledge of the utilities. Looking for > something you have > > used and could recommend. If there is a secret handshake (shortcut) > > that would allow me to send an email to all the users in a domain I > > would appreciate that info as well. > > > > Sincerest thanks in advance, /ALE > > > > Eddie.Albert(at)afrpa.Pentagon.af.mil > > Mail Serf > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > > To subscribe: > http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > > Jupitermedia Corp. > > Attn: Discussion List Management > > 475 Park Avenue South > > New York, NY 10016 > > > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > > To subscribe: > http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > > Jupitermedia Corp. > > Attn: Discussion List Management > > 475 Park Avenue South > > New York, NY 10016 > > > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange > To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. 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