The operative words in your assesment...."You seem to imply" That was your
mistake..I never implied anything other than Why not? Also, I never made a
claim to being qualified in anything, is that a pre-requisite to asking
questions here? Is this some uniqique club where only the gifted can ask?
I have since apologized for my comment to Chris..
Again, I ask, praytell, what on earth is eating you? Is it the inferior
design of something so many people rely on? You seem bent on putting me in
my place, while I still have users who cannot access e-mail the way they
were used to it...Something they depend on...Something that pays the
bills...real world stuff
The solution is easy...OWA is available and users are learning to live with
it.
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From: <i>"Ed Crowley [MVP]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></i><br>Reply-To: <i>"Exchange
Discussions" <[email protected]></i><br>To:
<i>"Exchange Discussions"
<[email protected]></i><br>Subject: <i>RE: POP3 to New
Exchange 2003 environment</i><br>Date: <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:02:29
-0700</i><br>As long as you want to keep arguing...<br><br>I didn't suggest
that POP ought to be banned. I do suggest that a qualified<br>administrator
should understand the designed-in limitations of POP before<br>criticizing
an implementation of it.<br><br>Microsoft supports POP like any other mail
server supports POP. The client<br>connects to the server. If you move the
mailbox, the client has to connect<br>to the correct server, so you have to
change the client. I'm not aware of<br>any other POP server that handles
this any differently. You may not like<br>the fact that a front-end server
extends the function of POP by fronting the<br>handling of the protocol,
thus eliminating the requirement to change the<br>client, but, as I told
you, it's a function extension specifically with the<br>front-end server
architecture.<br><br>Nobody flamed you for asking anything. You were flamed
because you seem to<br>imply that the fact that the product doesn't support
what you think it ought<br>to support--no matter how impractical--somehow
makes it deficient. It is<br>you who started this cloud of negativity.
Don't blame anyone else but<br>yourself for the responses you got.<br><br>As
to your assessment of my professionalism, I simply consider the
source.<br><br>Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP<br>Freelance E-Mail
Philosopher<br>Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked
Backups!T<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Terry<br>Ganus<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:42
AM<br>To: Exchange Discussions<br>Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003
environment<br><br>Again, nothing short of what I expect from you Ed. Do
you feel bigger now?<br><br>How deep is your arrogance?<br><br>A simple
question to a simple process...and Yes, POP is ugly, and should
be<br>banned, but not everyone can afford the luxury of total MAPI. In the
real<br>world, sometimes you have to do what you do not want to do. Why
doesn't<br>Microsoft remove POP access?<br><br>All I was hoping for was
someone who may have experienced this and found an<br>alternative solution.
I did not expect to be ridculed in a public forum.<br>The initial answers I
got were non-productive and I asked for elaboration.<br><br>As far as
trolling on this list..I have been watching this for lists for<br>months and
for the first thing I ask about, I am flamed for asking....<br><br>Forgive
my ignorance...but hiding in anonimouty and arrogance is not
very<br>professional is it? Or do you sit and wait for something like this
to flex<br>your depth and knowledge...and try to humiliate someone? Exactly
what is<br>bothering you Ed?<br><br>I am also sorry my expectations are so
high, it makes it more disappointing<br>when I see someone I respect so
immature and unprofessional.<br><br>Terry<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE
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color=#A0C6E5<br>size=1><br>From: <i>&quot;Ed Crowley
[MVP]&quot;<br>&lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&gt;</i><br>Reply-To:
<i>&quot;Exchange<br>Discussions&quot;
&lt;[email protected]&gt;</i><br>To:<br><i>&quot;Exchange
Discussions&quot;<br>&lt;[email protected]&gt;</i><br>Subject:
<i>RE: POP3 to New<br>Exchange 2003
environment</i><br>Date: <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005
10:59:54<br>-0700</i><br>POP is not a mail routing protocol. It
is a single client to<br>single mailbox<br>protocol. Perhaps you
might want to read the relevant<br>Internet RFC to<br>better
understand how it works and why it won't do what<br>you
want.<br><br>The reason this works for MAPI is because the
protocol<br>supports the<br>redirection. That is, the client connects
to the old<br>server, and it<br>notifies the client, through supported
protocol elements,<br>that the location<br>has changed. Then the
client updates itself and<br>contacts the
correct<br>server.<br><br>Exchange is not designed, and
has<br>never been designed, to act as a proxy for<br>other servers
until the notion<br>of a front-end server came along. This is<br>what
it is specifically<br>supposed to do. If you want that function, then
buy<br>the box. If you can<br>live without it, then it's your choice.
Or quit using<br>such a limitied<br>protocol. POP is about as basic
(stupid) as a protocol can<br>be. Of<br>course, if you had read the
RFC, you'd have known that.<br><br>Whining about<br>what
Exchange &quot;ought to do&quot; won't get your
problem<br>resolved.<br>Arguing with those telling you how it is won't
change the<br>architecture of<br>the product. I think it's time for
you to move on and<br>troll a different<br>list
now.<br><br>Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet<br>MVP<br>Freelance
E-Mail Philosopher<br>Protecting the world from PSTs and<br>Bricked
Backups!T<br><br>-----Original
Message-----<br>From:<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>[mailto:bounce-12068937-6315<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>On
Behalf Of Terry<br>Ganus<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
10:53<br>AM<br>To: Exchange Discussions<br>Subject: RE: POP3 to
New Exchange 2003<br>environment<br><br>I would not have
expected anything less from you<br>Ed.<br><br>Alas, there is
hope that you could ride a bus.<br><br>Like I<br>could have a
route statement or routing group handle it...but there<br>does<br>not
appear to be any chauffers for such a
simple<br>task.<br><br>Terry<br><br>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE
style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px;<br>MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
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MARGIN-RIGHT:<br>0px'&gt;&lt;font<br>style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'&gt;<br>&lt;hr<br>color=#A0C6E5<br>size=1&gt;<br>From:
&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Ed
Crowley<br>[MVP]&amp;quot;<br>&amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Repl<br>y-To:<br>
&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange<br>Discussions&amp;quot;<br>&amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:<br>&lt<br>;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange<br>Discussions&amp;quot;<br>&amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/<br>i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Subject:<br>
&lt;i&gt;RE: POP3 to New<br>Exchange
2003<br>environment&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date:
&lt;i&gt;Tue, 30 Aug
2005<br>09:54:07<br>-0700&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;My car
should be able to drive me where<br>I want to go without
me<br>touching&lt;br&gt;anything. Alas,
it<br>doesn't.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ed
Crowley<br>MCSE+Internet<br>MVP&lt;br&gt;Freelance
E-Mail<br>Philosopher&lt;br&gt;Protecting the world from PSTs
and<br>Bricked<br>Backups!T&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Original<br>Message-----&lt;br&gt;From:<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]&<br>lt;br&gt;[mailto:bounce-12066712-6315<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>On<br>Behalf
Of Terry&lt;br&gt;Ganus&lt;br&gt;Sent: Tuesday, August 30,
2005 6:56<br>AM&lt;br&gt;To:<br><br>Exchange
Discussions&lt;br&gt;Subject: RE: POP3 to<br>New Exchange
2003<br>environment&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why? Once
inside, the<br>Exchange Orginization should be<br>able to figure
out&lt;br&gt;who is who.<br>It does with all other
mail<br>and<br>access.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE
style='PADDING-LEFT:<br>5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;<br>BORDER-LEFT:
#A0C6E5&lt;br&gt;2px
solid;<br>MARGIN-RIGHT:<br>0px'&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font&lt;br&gt;style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FON<br>T-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'&amp;gt;<br>&amp;lt;hr<br>color=#A0C6E5&lt;br&gt;<br>size=1&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;From:<br><br>&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&amp;amp;quot;Chris<br>Scharff&amp;amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;&amp;<br>amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&amp;<br>lt<br>;br&amp;gt;Reply-To:<br><br><br>&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&amp;amp;quot;Exchange&lt;br&gt;Discussions&amp;amp;quot;<b<br>r>&amp;amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&a<br>mp;lt;br&amp;gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt<br>;i&amp;gt;&amp;amp;quot;Exchange<br><br>Discussions&amp;amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>m&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/<br>i&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Subject:<br><br>
&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;RE: POP3 to
New&lt;br&gt;Exchange<br>2003<br>environment&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Date:<br>&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Tue,
30
Aug<br>2005<br>08:49:23&lt;br&gt;-0500&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;You
need<br>a front-end
server<br>to<br>perform&lt;br&gt;proxying.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;-----Ori<br>ginal<br>Message-----&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;From:&lt;br&gt;bounce-12066563-142912<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[mailto:bounce-12066563-142&lt;<br>br&gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;On<br>Behalf<br>Of&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Terry
Ganus&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Posted At: Tuesday, August<br>30,
2005<br>8:40&lt;br&gt;AM&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Posted
To:<br>swynk&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Conversation: POP3 to
New<br>Exchange<br>2003&lt;br&gt;environment&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Subject:
POP3 to
New<br>Exchange<br>2003&lt;br&gt;environment&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&am<br>p;lt;br&amp;gt;Hi,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;We<br>recently<br>upgraded
to AD 2003 and added&lt;br&gt;a new Exchange
2003<br>server<br>and&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;we are slowly moving
each user (less<br>than&lt;br&gt;300) from the
old<br>2000&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Exchange server.<br>Everything
works flawlessly
with&lt;br&gt;the<br>exception<br>of&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;users
getting access to POP3 mail once they
are<br>on<br>the&lt;br&gt;new Exchange
2003&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;server. The outside<br>world sees
our<br>internal pop3
as&lt;br&gt;mail.domain.com<br>and&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;that is
setup on 300<br>different locations that
rely<br>on&lt;br&gt;pop3
access.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I
do<br>have<br>POP3 enabled on both servers. SP1 is in
place.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
This<br>is<br>under&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;one e-mail orginization
and one domain,
one<br>forest.&lt;br&gt;Every<br>other&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;function
of e-mail between<br>groups in this
orginization<br>works&lt;br&gt;great.<br>All&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;POP3
and SMTP is being routed to the
original<br>2000<br>exchange&lt;br&gt;server
and&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;then<br>distributed&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;from
there.<br><br>When I try to
access<br>e-mail&lt;br&gt;via pop3 with a
user<br>on<br>the&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;new&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;server
I get an error<br>message that the&lt;br&gt;user
is<br>unknown...I find<br>this&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;interesting
because as<br>one<br>e-mail&lt;br&gt;orginization, it should
see every<br>user&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;as long
as<br>POP3<br>is&lt;br&gt;enabled.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The
goal is<br>to move all users to the new<br>Exchange server
and&lt;br&gt;then<br>remove&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;the old
exchange server from the<br>environment.<br>Until then,
I&lt;br&gt;need POP3&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;to come into
a<br>single<br>point and see both servers
or<br>correctly&lt;br&gt;route&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;throughout<br>the<br>e-mail<br>orginization.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Thank&lt;b<br>r&gt;you,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Terry&amp;lt;b<br>r&amp;gt;&amp<br>;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;__________________________<br>_______________<br>__&lt;br&gt;______________________&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;List&<br>lt;br&gt;posting<br>FAQ:<br>http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm&amp;l<br>t;br&amp;gt;Web&lt;br&gt;Interface:<br>http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?fo<br>rum=exchange&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;To&lt;br&gt;subscribe:<br>http://e-newsletters<br>.internet.com/discussionlists.html/&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;To&lt;br&gt;unsub
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