Wow. I had forgotten how much you could pack into one post! Thanks Craig, very interesting...
-----Original Message----- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi Ok (and for Darcy too). So let's talk about the Outlook Disaster first, since that has a lot of old time stuff and it is a perfect segue into the problems we face keeping Exchange moving forward. So everyone knows the Exchange architecture at the 80,000 foot level, right? There is a store, rules engine, and an MTA on the server, with a bunch of services connectors. The GAL is now a redirector to the AD. On the client side you have a MAPI services layer that is a part of WOSA and can support any U/I or client for things like messaging, calendar and directory - yes? Ok, back in the beginning, the Exchange team built all of these pieces. Every last one of them, and was trying to keep them architecturally consistent. They did some things better than others. One of the teams weak points was in extending the core services with tools for doing workgroup stuff. They/we understood that we didn't want to copy Notes with its relatively closed view of the world (think Notes documents). Somehow Exchange needed to make it possible for Office and really any application to work well in a collaborative way. Ok, knowing that and doing it are two different things. The Exchange team had its hands full and was not doing all that great with its workgroup tools. There was an EDK (Exchange development kit), but it was not very well developed. Ok, David Goodhand (did I spell that right?) anyway, David was really sharp about what needed to happen, but he got his funding from the Office crew. So, totally independently from the Exchange team, David got the funding to develop a whole new client system - Outlook. As a messaging tool it was a piece of crap, and quite poor relative to the Exchange client (Capone), but as a workgroup tool it was night and day better. But the real problem was Microsoft was not working as a team. They were quite viciously competing with themselves. It got so bad that only two weeks after Exchange 4.0 went RTM, the Office group released a press story titled "Microsoft Gets a Whole New Outlook" and started with words to the effect that 'Microsoft was dumping Exchange and replacing it with Outlook . . .' It was a PR disaster of course, because nobody outside of the Exchange developers and beta testers understood that Exchange the server and Exchange the client were two different things and that the client was two things and that MAPI and Exchange server were not going any place. Plus, you had the Capone team that felt like they had been stabbed in the back by their own company, which they had. Well, over the months that followed, we gradually picked up the pieces and went on. The story is worth telling because the underlying organizational and vision management problems that led to the Outlook Disaster still persist. Who can concisely describe Microsoft's strategy for the following" - messaging - telephony - high mobility platforms - embedded appliance servers There are others, but these four serve to make the point. In quite a few key areas Microsoft has multiple and inherently conflicted strategies, and some of the ones that they like the best are in deep denial with long term technical trends. Bill and Steve have built a culture that depends on vigorous internal competition. Some of it is healthy and some of it isn't. Certainly their famous sense of paranoia has kept them ahead of most of their competitors. But, it also has created a situation in which key decisions sometimes get made based on who has the most political clout or who shouts the loudest. This makes them just as susceptible the Christensen problem (read "The Innovator's Dilemma" by Clayton Christensen) as anyone else. Microsoft has several serious problems relative to Exchange, and most of them have been there since the beginning. They portable calendar solution is terrible. Pegasus (the HPC 1.0 version of the CE platform) shipped in 1996 eight months after Exchange. It's their mobile personal calendar for enterprise customers - right? Ok, so why is it that it can't synch directly to the store, even today, five years later? NetMeeting 1.0 shipped way back then as well. So why can't their CE platforms talk to it? The directory team left the Exchange team and joined the NT group to build the AD in 1996. So why is the NetMeeting ILS still not integrated? DEN/CIM was proposed with Cisco in 1997, so why can't a MAPI client do a directory lookup on the MAC address of the last device someone used for a NetMeeting session, or an Exchange session? Why isn't the data storable in a meaningful way in one of the "tools" menus in Outlook and OWA (stored in the store of course) (think of them as an attribute page of "devices in my life")? Why can't the rules engine write messaging handling, call forwarding and event notifications based on these objects? [Cisco's Unity can do some of these things.] These guys are drifting and nearly visionless, and well that comes close to being clueless. It didn't used to be that way. There once was a time when the Exchange architects were some of the most forward looking visionaries you could find - any place. Now to be fair, some parts of Microsoft are firing on all cylinders. I have great hopes for some things I've seen in the PocketPC team in the past year. The CE core team may (stress the word MAY) have just figured out that data sharing in multimedia telephony is more important than video in the enterprise space, which is their core customer set (Palm is still cleaning their clock in the regular retail channel). Gee, I could go on like this for awhile, but I think you get the point. If Exchange keeps drifting, it will get knocked off. Remember when OV was king of the hill, and All-In-1 had a promising future? -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi yes. The Outlook Disaster specifically, but also the "keeping Exchange moving forward" stuff as well... -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! No mention shall be made of coral or of crystal; the price of wisdom is above pearls. - Job 28:18 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi You mean about old times, or the Outlook disaster and why it's still a problem, or what? -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi I, for one, would love to hear more about this. -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! "Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi Austin was the last one I attended. But before that one, there was the MEC in Bellevue at Meydenbauer Center, and there was an Exchange Deployment Conference at the Seattle Convention and Trade Center. That one was the official transition from the Microsoft Mail Conference, which I think had its last big bash in Portland. Anyway, I made presentations at Seattle and Bellevue, and was on a panel at Austin. The thing I remember most about Austin was the Breavehearts dinner where Elaine, Eric and Brian told us what we and they were up against in terms of keeping Exchange moving forward. Also, the politics of the Outlook disaster were revealed. It was a real eye opener. -----Original Message----- From: Darcy Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi I was at that one! Then absent until this year. Craig actually dragged me into this whole Exchange biz. . . Darcy -----Original Message----- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi It's funny you bring this up. At MEC, I was thinking back to Austin (the original Exchange Deployment Conference, MEC 1 if you will, way back before Orlando, Dallas, Atlanta, Boston and San Diego) and I realized that I've been working this technology for well over five years. I KNOW you've been at it even longer. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Hi Wasn't Peter subsidized by his company at the time? For some reason I'm thinking it was ASL, but I may be confusing that with another UK firm. In any case, I'm thinking that it was sometime around December 1, 1995 that Peter went live. The Bravehearts group was pre-web, pre list server. It mainly existed in the form of a weekly telecon and a forum on Compuserve. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Hi Peter Bowyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Matteson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: RE: Hi > Yes to Bravehearts and No to Elaine. > > Another old timer question, Who was the original Sponser of the Exchange > list? > > John Matteson; Exchange Manager > Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards > (404) 239 - 2981 > > ...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there > are none so blind as those who will not see.... > --The Moody Blues (I know you're out there) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:19 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Hi > > > Is anyone left here that remembers what "Bravehearts" meant? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
