Again.. I said USEABLE, not Legal (insurance, tags, tax sticker).

Having worked in a service station, way back when full service wasn't just
for people with handicap plates, you would be surprised at how many "almost
flat" tires came in, cars running without (a lot of) coolant, oil that
didn't touch the stick, etc.

We train (try to, anyway) people about their cars "The Shell Answer Man",
driver's education (in and out of high school), and general circulation
magazines out the youhoo that tell people about proper car maintenance.

When was the last time you saw an article about personal firewalls or
computer virus protection in Cosmo magazine? [The last article on virus
protection I saw there talked a lot about latex.]

John Matteson; Exchange Manager 
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards 
(404) 239 - 2981 

Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise
men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe
it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha


-----Original Message-----
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


Well you have to look at this in the entire perspective.

Taking the spin on your analogy. 

To be honest the car and computer are both "useable" of the lot, or out of
the
box more often than not.

However most people don't drive the car without.....

Insurance (incase of accidents)recurring cost here.
Checking the Tires from time to time
Checking the OIL, and other fluids..
Wipers, Brakes, Tune ups?

All on-going maintenance to be safe and have trouble free operations as much
as
possible.

The virus scanner, personal firewall, and such for the computers are
basically
the same thing in our current world.  Don't you think?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


Boy can I identify with that.

And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a
car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or
purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make
it usable is included when you take delivery.

It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus
protection and a set of system utilities if it's "just for home/kid/fun"
use.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager 
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards 
(404) 239 - 2981 
Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise
men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe
it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha


-----Original Message-----
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why
antivirus software was essential.

"If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with
Windows XP?"

Phil
---------------------------------------------
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with 
> over 130,000
> users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 
> 80% expressing
> the above attitude.  95% of WinME users express their 
> frustration.  And try
> explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 
> 'security updates'
> (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the 
> system, will
> only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes....  sheesh

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