Mmmmm...exercises in masochism.... -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Di Nardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?
Kumindra, I respectfully disagree. Martin is correct on this one. The LAST thing you want is people on the dev team moving boxes back and forth between a dev network and a prod network. That is definitely a recipe for disaster. In a large environment, the dev people rarely, if ever, are responsible for supporting anything in the production environment. You want one group that is responsible for this type of work, and a change management system that requires approvals before machines are put on the prod network. Doing it any other way in a large environment is an exercise in masochism. Even with a CM process in place, you are bound to get screwed from time to time, but it does minimize the occurrences. I can't even imagine the nightmare you would have if there were three test networks and everyone had free reign to move boxes from those test networks to the prod network. You might as well say you have four test networks. You would rarely have a clue what broke or who did it. The only thing you could be sure of in the environment you describe is everything being screwed up and anyone with a brain shopping their resume. My $.02 Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kuminda Chandimith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? I disagree with this, Specially y if you have a Development team. We used to have a separate Development domain, (infact 2 or 3 of them) We may be setting up and removing domain servers in regular basis, for various R&D and Development related work. What one Can do is to physically move those computers out of the main network, But then people might have communication problems. I don't have much Of experience in how to manage such installations, but We some how managed with a little bit of extra discipline from the "Developers side". Kuminda Chandimith Sr. Technical Consultant Ducont.com FZ-LLC Tel: + 971-4-3913000 Ext 237 Fax: +971-4-3913001 http://www.ducont.com -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 December 2001 21:11 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? So it really isn't a matter of too much work, but rather a matter of poor management. In any company, but in particular one your size, allowing departments to manage computers is a recipe for disaster. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but not any longer. There should be a central point of contact for all machines. Orders are placed through that group and delivered to them for configuration and delivery to the end users or departments. That way all hardware is fully tracked and managed. You should be using logon scripts as one method of pushing out AV installs and DAT updates. That way for someone to login, AV software has to be installed. I would suggest rather than spend 50-60K a year for an AV tech, that you put that time / money into better management. Ill bet you if you went to upper management and said "OK, we need a new hardware procedure, OR we need to spend 60K a year for an AV guy, they would let you have your way" -----Original Message----- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? Symantec Corporate, 7.5. Waiting for 7.6 to arrive. We also will be purchasing a Mcafee e500. A good portion of or problems relate to a LAZY supervisor and several departments that are in charge of their own equipment. Just yesterday we ran into a lab that had 15 new machines on our domain that we didn't know about. All without any AV and 2 were nimda monsters. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? What are you using for your AV solution? -----Original Message----- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? At 1300 machines given the problems we appear to be having, the guy that does our AV wants a FTE created for it because he feels it would be appropriate. -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? How big is your company? Is 10,000 users enough for it to be a full time job? 100,000 users? It varies from org to org. -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Violence ends by defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers. --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Ko Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: AV! a full time job? I don't think this is a full time job. If you have a full time position just for A/V, you'd have to have a backup person since viruses do not take any vacation. Instead of having full time position, pay A/V vendor to notify you (& other support staffs) when there's new virus via pager, cell phone, email, etc. If you want to have closer relationship with A/V vendor, pay more money to have someone like Technical Account Manager, TAM. Once you have those communcation method established, you have to have software that can distribute updates automatically and fast. My two cents... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hansen, Eric Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AV! a full time job? Just curious what some of the Exchange Admins think. Would you consider Antivirus a full time job? I speak for both email and network/desktop. Around here it isn't, although we wish it was cause it seems to be getting neglected. 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