The point is that your users can keep old mail they feel that they cannot do without but it's a lot smaller if they edit the messages and remove the attachments.
Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Atkinson, Daniel Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Slightly OT: PST policies I don't understand your solution Ed. You're saying to keep the IS manageable, get everyone to use OST's and save off attachments? OST's aren't for archiving, they mirror the store - no space saved. Why get users to pull attachments out of exchange to disparate locations on the network? No backup, no owa access, no SIS, no 'audit trail' of their work, big pain in the butt (saving several attachments from a message SUCKS!). Ideally I'd like exchange to do the archiving job for me, but Microsoft likes leaving out useful features to perpetuate the third party add-on market. So, I could have a really good third party archiver that puts old data down to optical disk or something, but that's not going to happen here for now so we'll stick to users archiving to PST's, and if people want to put these on net drives to back them up I really don't see a problem. dan. > Add to the OST idea teaching your users how to remove attachments from > e-mail they feel they must save. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP > Tech Consultant > Compaq Computer > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral > problems." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Atkinson, Daniel > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Slightly OT: PST policies > > > thanks for your comment ed. > > i like the idea of offline folders, but surely these would > just be mirrors > of the users mailbox, or a subset thereof. That's not what's needed > here...the users need to archive data so they stay under the > store limit and > can send mail. I don't see how an offline folder could be used in this > manner. > > am i missing something about offline folders? > > dan. > > > I'm not going to argue with you on your point, but I suggest that > > offline folders might be more appropriate. > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > > Tech Consultant > > Compaq Computer Corporation > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson, > > Daniel > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT: PST policies > > > > > > ok, check this pst scenario: > > > > exchange site in uk, 450 users, 400mb mailbox limit, 30gb store. > > > > servers are located in london, remote sites in northern > cities connect > > via 2mbps links. > > > > users often hit the mailbox limit and have to archive to pst. > > in london, > > they just move items to a pst on their local disk, and we > > make sure that > > they understand their data is no longer available via OWA > or backed up > > nightly. > > > > in the northern cities, the techs have put the PST's onto network > > drives. i immediately yelled "pst on net drives = bad" but their > > philosophy is that they have plentiful disk space on their > > file servers > > and a fast network, so they do this to gain the advantage of > > backing up > > the pst's. > > > > i can't think of any good reason to persuade them to store > > the pst's on > > local hard drives, and i think that's because there isn't one. > > > > dan. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 11 January 2002 06:11 > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT: PST policies > > > > > > > > > That's fine [1] but keep them off file servers. > > > > > > [1] not really > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP > > > Tech Consultant > > > Compaq Computer > > > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral > > > problems." > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Cook, David A. > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:34 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT: PST policies > > > > > > > > > I have read all those things about PST=BAD and I have used > > > all of those. > > > I gave my suggestion of do not allow any PSTs and I was > told that we > > > have to allow PSTs. The reasons is the best part of the > whole thing, > > > "they have always been able to use PSTs so we can't take that > > > away from > > > them". Politics is the problem. > > > > > > The more I'm thinking about this the madder it makes me. I've > > > given this > > > recommendation before and then this time I was asked to give the > > > recommendation again so it could be taking to the powers that > > > be. I give > > > my recommendation and I'm told it is not acceptable. I'm > pretty much > > > being given the recommandation and being told that it is my > > > recommendation now justify it. I can't justify the wrong decision. > > > > > > So that was my rant that you all could care less about but > > thank you > > > everyone for the input. > > > > > > > > > Dave Cook > > > Exchange Administrator > > > Kutak Rock, LLP > > > 402-231-8352 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
