I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange
server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems).  Experience
is where it is at.

-----Original Message-----
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Cerification question


Certs are not a sign of competency.  They just mean that the person is
capable of memorizing braindumps.  I interviewed MCSEs that answered the
question "Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job" with an
answer like "We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs".  You've got to
be
careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes.  There are some ways you
can
tell if they're good or not though.  For example if the candidate writes
MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless
wall-licker in your hands.

If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat
through the tests.  That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out
there.


Serdar Soysal


-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Cerification question


That guy is a knucklehead. The "Best Cert" is the one you need or help
you
do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I
really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with
M$,
Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc.... I studied the Cisco stuff because we were
converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the
company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched
to
NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to
improve my
skill set.

I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy
that
had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought
that
at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that
had
more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their
chosen craft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Cerification question


Don't invite that speaker again.

Serdar Soysal


-----Original Message-----
From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Cerification question


There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this
was
being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of
certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier
certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before
graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a
difference?

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