I admit it myself after going through school for my mcse I really didn't learn that much. I thought I know everything after school. Once I got a job in the field I learned so much.
Hands on beats any 55 question test. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -----Original Message----- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The "Best Cert" is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc.... I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -----Original Message----- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -----Original Message----- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. 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