Well, I think we all agree that experience is important. Common sense also helps. Lots of folks out there with all sorts of letters after their names that are bloomin' idiots (not just IT, look at PHD, MD, MA, MBA!) But I have learned a lot of stuff doing my certifications that I might not have picked up "on the job".
But, a very important part of a job is working in the system. Not operating system, the company system. For example, if I'm a really good employee (which I am) and work hard (which I do) and figure out some ways to save the company money and also be more productive --- my boss wants to give me a raise! But, how to justify it to the bean counters???? How about -- Company pays for me to go to some classes (where you don't just memorize, but get to meet other folks with different experience and stuff). I get a week off here and there and get to go learn about more stuff. That's a bonus for me! Much easier to explain to bean counters: He went to classes to learn more stuff. One way we know he learned stuff was he passed these tests and is now officially an xxx or yyy. He is worth more to our company now. Bean counters can now justify to board of directors, I get raise! Now how many of us work in situations like this??? Certs aren't the end-all, they MAY not mean much, but anything that helps the boss pay me more is a good thing! -----Original Message----- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Certification question I agree with the last 2 statements. Been in the industry for 20 plus years and have to say no I have Certs. but have always risen to the level of so called MCSE's. Not that they are bad but come on, how can someone is good at passing tests be good at handling pressure moments. That is the true test of a IT professional. As far as IT hiring firms. They for the most are F-cked up and so are the company's HR departments. They look at Cert's and not a person background and accomplishments. Yes Certs are good for truck drivers changing jobs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hummert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: RE: Certification question > IT recruiters are the downfall of our industry. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:38 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Certification question > > > That's because there are more moron IT recruiters out there than there > are qualified professionals. > > Serdar Soysal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Certification question > > > As an unemployed IT person, I'd say get whatever certs you can, because > like it or not, there's more jobs available for paper mcse's than there > are for experienced non-mcse's. > > My disclaimer - At least that's been my experience, and of course your > mileage may vary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Schwartz > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:13 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Certification question > > > As a recruiter, I would agree. There's no substitute for experience. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:06 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > Could we rephrase this? How about: > Which "went to a braindump or bootcamp & got his paper certification > with no real-world experience" would you be quickest to lock out of your > server room for fear that he might touch something? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:58 PM > Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List > Conversation: Cerification question > Subject: Cerification question > > > There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this > was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type > of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier > certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before > graduation starts. 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