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Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:11 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


Chris,

> On average you will find some of the most exchange knowledgeable 
> people on this list. You'll also find them, on average, to be 
> extremely helpful.

I don't dispute this. The "Boy if I had only known" comment was to
suggest if I had know about the crap for asking a question.

> Well, there is no link. The scope of your query wasn't limited to just

> a link. If it was, you'd have gotten the answer you wanted. But your
> reason(ing) is circular, and when complaining about our inability to 
> think it a rational manner that's kinds funny.

See other reply. (Again, what did you think I wanted. Could you try to
define what the scope of MY query was?) As far as you telling me my
reasoning is circular...huh? Do even know what you meant by using that
word? I did not say that there was a link or that there even was an
answer! I can see as how you might have interpreted that but I can't
control your thought process.

> In general we're also pretty busy.

This is like saying "Oh ya! Apples are red!" totally irrelevant. What
does time have to do with this? Stick to the topic.

> So if you'd taken the time to properly
> phrase your technical question you would have saved all of us 
> (yourself included a lot of time).

That was my best shot at asking the question. How could I have gotten
more technical with out having more knowledge of the subject. That is
what circular reasoning is: Ask a more technical question of something
you do not know the technical information about.

> Did you read the FAQ before you posted? If you had, you might have 
> saved yourself from the perceived condescension you feel you've been 
> subjected
to.
> Based on the question you /asked/ the responses were reasonable. 
> Perhaps
the
> fact the question was completely ignored the first time you asked it
should
> have served as a clue that it needed some work. Your insistence on
reposting
> it without further revision or comment speaks volumes.

I did read the FAQ sometime ago. I will admit that you are right on this
point. Maybe I should have reworded my post. I have had problems before,
where my posts did not make it through and I thought this might have
been the case. 
On the other hand, I feel my post was stating exactly what I wanted.
Could you rewrite for me to show me how it should have read? I WAS
looking for some form of documentation on IMC logging, let me see it how
you would have done it?

> Now, if your feelings are just too hurt, there are a number of other 
> Exchange forums you might try. You'll find a heavy overlap of the top 
> contributors in those forums as well, but who knows... You might get 
> lucky and someone will tell you "there is no link" or do a ton of work

> to
satisfy
> your seemingly idle curiosity.

Are we in 1st grade? No. My feeling are not hurt. I was just I little
taken by the arrogance of the replies I received, which you seem to
think are OK. What is wrong with idle curiosity? If you have a problem
with asking questions as a form of learning that is ok, but it doesn't
mean everyone thinks that way.


Joe Rojas


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)

Joe,

On average you will find some of the most exchange knowledgeable people
on this list. You'll also find them, on average, to be extremely
helpful.

> The reason, that seemed obvious to me, that I asked the question was 
> to have a link or something that would have taken about 10 seconds to 
> type that would have pointed me it the right direction.

Well, there is no link. The scope of your query wasn't limited to just a
link. If it was, you'd have gotten the answer you wanted. But your
reason(ing) is circular, and when complaining about our inability to
think it a rational manner that's kinds funny.

>I thought to myself...Hey,
> these guys seem pretty smart on this list, let me ask them.  Boy, if I

>had only known...wow!

In general we're also pretty busy. So if you'd taken the time to
properly phrase your technical question you would have saved all of us
(yourself included a lot of time).

> Go back and read those replies that you guys wrote. They sound kind of

> silly huh?

I've reread mine and find a distinct lack of silliness or irrational
thought. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

> I was referred to this list by someone who mentioned that the people 
> here are a great help...he forgot to mention the condescending 
> comments that I you have to endure to get that help...


Did you read the FAQ before you posted? If you had, you might have saved
yourself from the perceived condescension you feel you've been subjected
to. Based on the question you /asked/ the responses were reasonable.
Perhaps the fact the question was completely ignored the first time you
asked it should have served as a clue that it needed some work. Your
insistence on reposting it without further revision or comment speaks
volumes.

Now, if your feelings are just too hurt, there are a number of other
Exchange forums you might try. You'll find a heavy overlap of the top
contributors in those forums as well, but who knows... You might get
lucky and someone will tell you "there is no link" or do a ton of work
to satisfy your seemingly idle curiosity.

Chris Scharff
MVP Exchange

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