If you were referring to me, I'll show you my willy... Regards _MR._ Andrea Coppini
-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy I. Shannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 October 2002 7:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Exchange Server Maybe you should look into getting a better RAID controller. Her theory is right. -----Original Message----- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Exchange Server Andrea, Please let me disagree. All I have to do is boot without the crashed page drive. Windows will create a temp page file on the C: drive and start (just confirmed this with my hardware guys). Then when time allows, the replacement drive can be added and the page file moved to it, with all the necessary reboots. I also disagree about the 0% downtime according to your scenario #2. Based on my experience, as soon as RAID failed on the page file volume, the server did a blue screen of death. So much for 0% downtime. *In theory* the server *should* have kept running. But it did not. So screw it. If it is going to crash anyway I am not going to spend extra money on it. -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Exchange Server Picture this: Your single (let's say IDE) pagefile drive fails, so your system crashes. You run down to your store or computer shop to buy a new drive (system still down) You install the disk in another machine (since Exchange might not start up without page drive) (system still down) You partition/format the drive (system still down) You install the new IDE disk in your exchange server (system still down) You start up Exchange. If you can afford all that downtime, go ahead and use a single drive. But now let's look at RAID1 swap: One of your swap disks fail.. Raid1 is broken so machine keeps running on one disk You take the bad disk Offline and pull it out You stroll and whistle your way down to your store or computer shop to get a new disk, maybe even have a couple of doughnuts on the way... You insert the new disk in your exchange server. run the RAID tools, rebuild the RAID. Pat yourself on the back for 0% downtime. -----Original Message----- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 October 2002 4:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Exchange Server If it happened once it will probably happen again. I see no big benefit of putting page file on RAID. If I had a limited number of drive bays, I would rather have a separate RAID1 for transaction logs and a separate RAID5 for informations store database files; and if no more drive array bays are available for the page file volume - I would stick an IDE or SCSI drive in the CD-ROM bay or some other available space and connect it to the onboard controller and achieve better performance instead of perceived reliability. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Exchange Server So because you once had a problem with RAID that caused it to stop working must mean that it's always unreliable for everyone else every time? Robert Moir IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College >SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 0 rows returned > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 October 2002 13:53 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > Do you need me to explain it all in small details? > > I had an Exchange server. Page file was on a separate RAID1 volume. > RAID1 broke. Server crashed with a blue screen. Having the page file > on RAID1 did not necessarily make it more reliable. Might as well have > had the page file on a single drive. Why did I write this? Because I > was answering someone else's remark "Placing the pagefile on a > separate drive sacrifices reliability for performance." > > Ok now? Can I go? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:52 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > What does that have to do with Exchange? > > Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP > Technical Consultant > hp Services > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral > problems." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey > Fyodorov > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:04 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > Well once I had a broken RAID1 on the page file volume. RAID did not > save me. The server blue-screened. The RAID1 was physical. How about > that for reliability? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Depp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:46 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > Why? Placing the pagefile on a separate drive sacrifices reliability > for performance. This is not normally a choice I would make on a > production server. > > Dennis Depp > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey > Fyodorov > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > I would still try to find a way to put page file on a separate drive. > Check if you can get a single IDE or SCSI drive and stick it somewhere > inside the server. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > What's vitally important is to keep the logs on a separate physical > volume from the databases. For 150 users, I agree that combining the > OS and logs onto the same physical volume (I recommend separate > partitions, > though) shouldn't present significant performance problems. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > Tech Consultant > hp Services > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin > Blackstone > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:31 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: New Exchange Server > > > The ideal config is as follows > 2 Drives, RAID1, OS > 2 Drives, RAID1, Logs > 3 or more drives, RAID5 (or 1+0 if you have enough drives), Stores > > Not everyone has the luxury of so many drives. I have 2 drives in > RAID1 for OS and Logs, and 4 in a RAID5 for the Store. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Avallone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:18 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: New Exchange Server > > > I am in the process of building a new Exchange server and I have been > trying to keep up with the post about configuration, but I will ask > again. What is the proper hard drive configuration for setting up a > new Exchange 2000 box for about 150 users? 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