That's friggin crazy!! Why don't they just turn the thing off? -----Original Message----- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's
Here's another reason not to use RBL's. I just did a SamSpade search on the IP's for our Mail servers...and we were listed in OrbzIn and OrbzOut! Wanna know why? Here's why: ============ Why am I listed in ORBZ? Currently, every IP on the Internet is listed in ORBZ. This was done to encourage server administrators who are still using the ORBZ list 7 months after it shut down to fix their mail servers. What is replacing ORBZ? ORBZ is being replaced by the DSBL. -----Original Message----- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Here's what SamSpade.org says about the XBL: "The XBL has been removed for a number of reasons. 1) It's run by a total kook. 2) Nobody uses it. 3) It appears to list almost the entire Internet." LOL -----Original Message----- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's I just re-read his original posting. I really don't understand why he's called rude. I think he should have added that some RBL's don't even know what an RBL is supposed to do. And they're clueless about the damage they can do when not operated in The_Right_Way. Spews is a good example of a bad RBL. I've seen RBL's (including Spews and XBL) which are blocking several /24 because one IP belongs to a spammer. Mr Scharff is an optimist. Since every idiot is allowed to run a mailserver these days (and MS makes it very easy to do so) I think 98,9% is closer then the 97,25% he talked about. I don't have any specific person in mind.. so nobody should feel insulted.. If someone does.. well.. then it seems that person is just one of these idiots :-) Remember this is a tech list, not one that discusses about grammar.. In my experience it's not always a good idea to be to sensitive on lists like these. Have fun, --B. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html At 15:18 4-11-02 -0800, you wrote: >Perhaps you should read your e-mails before you send them. Just cause >you wrote something down and it sounds one way in your head doesn't >meant that it will sound the same way on the other end. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff >Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:02 PM >To: Exchange Discussions >Subject: RE: RBL's > > >I guess the #include humor.h module wasn't loaded for you this morning. >I'd suggest that the spelling remark was only rude to a subset of the >32% of admins who actually could spell RBL and thus understood the >barb. As a journalism major, with an English minor I am quite concerned >about any grammatical errors I might have made in the comment you are >referring to. Would you please be so kind as to point out my grammar >errors so that I might endeavor to eliminate them from my future >postings? > >Now, as to your point that my statement that of the 32% of mail >administrators who can spell RBL many are unable to comprehend the >implications of it: I've made more than 8,000 replies in various public >forums in the last 12 months. I've read over 50,000 threads during that >same period. It's been a relatively slow year for me, but even if we >take those low water numbers back 4 years it's still a fairly >substantial number of administrators and posts that I've encountered. >Based on that vast experience with and exposure to mail administrators >around the world, I find it highly likely that 16% or more of mail >administrators don't understand fully the implications of the RBL >technology they are using and or advocating. > >It has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. It has to do with being >knowledgeable about a particular issue or technology. My comments were >not directed at any particular individual user on this list and were >more accurately a diatribe against the technology than those who choose >to implement it. I'm sorry you chose to misinterpret my comments. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walsh, Ric [mailto:Walshr@;national-citymortgage.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:52 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Ok your "spelling" remark was rude to all of us. > > > > You following remark despite it's poor grammar seems to say that the > > rest of us are dumber that you. I'd have to say that it was ALL > > rude. > > > > Ric Walsh > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Walsh, Ric > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:32 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > Ok what makes you such a wizard? Also add the word rude to that. > > > Have > > you > > > though of taking an anger management class? > > > > > > Ric Walsh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chris Scharff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:22 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > I'd guess 68% or more of mail admins are unable to even spell > > > > RBL. > > > > > The majority of the remainder is unable to comprehend the > > > > implications of > > > the > > > > functionality on their environment, whether they understand how > > > > it > > > > > actually works or not. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:16 PM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...) > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to > > > > > comprehend its functionality? > > > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Chris Scharff > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL > > > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd > > > > > parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely > > > > > have > > > > > > to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo > > > > > is costing their company business. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE > > > > > EMS Sales Engineer > > > > > MessageOne > > > > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still 3rd party. I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the current stance on that is that they're "thinking about > > > > > > possibly" including RBL support in a future release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darcy > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd > > > > > > party? > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > List posting FAQ: >http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > > > Archives: >http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > List posting FAQ: >http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > > > Archives: >http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_________________________________________________________________ >List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com >Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >_________________________________________________________________ >List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com >Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
