"It's just as likely that a dept. with predominant females could sue for fifteen million for sexual harassment in the fact the company with the ten million dollar deal didn't take reasonable steps to protect them from this spam."
This is even greater nonsense than the argument you don't buy. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Finch Brett Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's I've watched this thread for a while. I don't buy the argument that a ten million deal will fail because of a bounced email via RBL. It's just as likely that a dept. with predominant females could sue for fifteen million for sexual harassment in the fact the company with the ten million dollar deal didn't take reasonable steps to protect them from this spam. There also seems to be no argument about the value of email in the workplace and that a business may find they loose a ten thousand dollar deal but save fifteen thousand in the fact their people are actually doing what they were hired to do (as mentioned in other posts bandwidth costs, storage costs as well). As for the per client configuration, that works until they start adding their contacts to the junk list or they log into a Terminal Server or via wireless with a PDA. We also don't hire people based on their skills to manage their email. Finding a moderate RBL with reasonable rules and sending a nice e-mail back to a would be spammer seems to work as well as anything. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Very true..We have hosted exchange for business and we get the sh-t spammed out of us. But we do not block any email! That may change as our customers are complaining bitterly. The best solution we would like is a filter on the client side and not the server side. MacAfee spam kill product looks nice but I do not know if it can talk to Exchange server. (not POP) I just felt we started something ugly on this list!!:) Wanted to clarify why we were interested. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's And in general, the business needs of a firm providing free web based e-mail, vs. the business needs of a Fortune 500 company are a tad different. So are the usage patterns and a host of other factors. My only comment about RBLs as it related to your question (not being defensive, just reiterating for those who might have lost track) was that I hoped Microsoft would not integrate RBL functionality directly into the Exchange product because I felt that such solutions were best left to 3rd party vendors... and then proceeded to mention a couple of reasons why I thought this to be true. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:36 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > I originally questioned about RBL's for exchange because we host a > large .com whose main stay of business is free web based email. They > have 100k plus users and get spammed to death. We have content > filtering tools, we can blacklist known spammers, and we can even shut > down ip's at the router. They still get spammed to death hurting their > service. Customers complain. The owner of this .com asked us to use > spamcop. Since enlisting spam cop 100's of thousands emails are now > refused a day!! All of the users were notified of the use of spamcop > and were told to report any emails that should have gotten thru. It > has been 3 months now and one reported email that should have gotten > thru did not. Our customer is happy, > his users are happy and we spend a lot less time tracking spammers. Our > servers are happy, our sans are happy, I'm happy. Oh our bandwidth is > happy > also!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Sojka [mailto:esojka@;NBME.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > "You following remark ... Seems to say" ? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:26 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > "depsite it's poor grammar" ? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Walsh, Ric > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > Ok your "spelling" remark was rude to all of us. > > > > You following remark despite it's poor grammar seems to say that the > > rest of us are dumber that you. I'd have to say that it was ALL > > rude. > > > > Ric Walsh > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Walsh, Ric > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:32 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > Ok what makes you such a wizard? Also add the word rude to > > that. 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