According to dictionary.com, you are being overly pedantic and
restrictive:

None
pron. 
No one; not one; nobody: None dared to do it. 
Not any: None of my classmates survived the war. 
No part; not any: none of your business. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of McCarthy,
Eugene (AFIT)
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Free Mailing List Software


Well, nice degree to have (what you messing around with computers for,
then? And at a time when we need good journalists more than ever!)
but...

None is an abbreviated form of NOT ONE. It is always singular. Well, in
GB English at least. Common usage may be otherwise but is still
generally considered incorrect.

The products to which you are referring are Countable and thus you are
saying, "Not one of the products IS free." If you were referring to an
uncountable, you could in modern - grammatically dubious - English say,
"None of the soup was eaten," where None here is an abbreviated (though
dubious) form of NOT ANY. 'Properly' you would say, "Not any of the soup
was eaten."

However, since we have the American people to thank for modern
'English', and English is a beautifully fluid and democratic language, I
will not clip my children's ears for such utterances as was my fate.

(I was an English teacher in another life)


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 February, 2003 17:15
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free Mailing List Software


I have a journalism degree with an English minor actually[1]. That�s why
my usage was spot on, even if the sentence itself was a bit of a run on.

http://www.wisc.edu/writing/Handbook/SubjectVerb.html#none

--- Begin Quoted Text ---
When words like "none" are the subject

Other words such as "none," "any," "all,"        "more," "most," and
"some"
may take either        singular or plural verbs, depending on the
context.

Some of the dollar was spent.

Some of the dollars were spent.

Note: here the prepositional phrase does affect the subject. It tells
you whether you are talking about a part of one thing (singular) or
about a number of things (plural).
--- End Quoted Text ---

"Them" refers to 3rd party products (plural).

[1] Iowa State University of Science and Technology [2]
[2] Go Clones.


On 2/5/03 6:03, "McCarthy, Eugene (AFIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Tut tut, Chris!
> 
> none of them ARE... (!)
> none ARE... (!?)
> 
> wasn't you taught english proper?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 17 January, 2003 15:58
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Free Mailing List Software
> 
> 
> There are some 3rd party mailing list products for Exchange, none of 
> them are particularly good IMHO, and none are free. Sorry.
> 
> 
> On 1/17/03 8:55, "Niki Blowfield - Exchange"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Its not a commercial thing, just a group of people who have had enough

> of yahoogroups, and I wondered if it was possible to run an automated 
> mailing list on MS Exchange for nowt
> 
> Nik
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 17 January 2003 14:44
>> To: Exchange Discussions
>> Subject: Re: Free Mailing List Software
>> 
>> 
>> What, you wanted to give away software that was free?
>> 
>> On 1/17/03 8:26, "Daniel Chenault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Makes me wish I had time to continue developing this.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:10 AM
>> To: Exchange Discussions
>> Subject: Free Mailing List Software
>> Sensitivity: Private
>> 
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend a good, free mailing list software package for 
>> MS Exchange Server 5.5
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Nik


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