There's plenty to steal - just look at all the appliances and cars without wheels in people's front yards!
-------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > However, that might be due more to the fact that there isn't > much to steal there! > > (My parents used to live right next door in Acworth.) > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Roger Seielstad > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:32 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > It apparently has one of the lowest property crime rates in > the area. But that's not the point. I'd love to see that > court battle and the fall out that comes from the city losing it. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:35 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > Sounds like it must be a real quite neighborhood > > > > > > From: Roger Seielstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:27:42 -0400 > > > > My guess is that it will be roughly equivalent to the law > in the city > > of Kennesaw, Georgia (suburban Atlanta) in which the city > requires all > > home owners to own a gun. To date, no one has been prosecuted for > > breaking that law. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis Inc. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:57 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > Seems like that disclaimer ("I do not give permission to > > > forward") would be unnecessary. If the law requires express > > > permission then the absence of any disclaimer wouldn't > > constitute > > permission and thus unless the message > specifically said "I *DO* > > give permission to forward" it > > > would be illegal to forward it. > > I'll be curious to > > know how many people they actually get > prosecuted under > this law. > > > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, > MCPx4 > > > Director of Information Services > > > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > > > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > From: Steve Molkentin > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June > > 18, 2003 13:28 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: > > RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > Scott, > > and others, > > > > I totally get your point, and to some > > degree agree. > > > > An interesting addition... > > > > > > The Australian federal govt recently (last year) passed > > > > legislation to say that it is illegal to forward and e-mail > > > > without the authors express permission. > > > > Thus, a > > whole NEW addition to the disclaimer in Australia is > > > popping up, > > saying that the author DOES NOT give permission > > > > for the e-mail to be forwarded. > > > > I think, > > whether we like it or not, the disclaimer is here to > > > stay... It > > is how we as Admins manage it. > > > > My additional $0.02 (inc > > GST). > > > > themolk. > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:24 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am not a legal speagle by any means, but the > > > > disclaimer issue > > > > > it bad joke. The true responsibility of who the > > message > > went to is in > > > the hands of the sender. > > If the message was addressed > > correctly then > > > the > > need for disclaimers would be a non-issue. > > > > > > > > Sorry I watched this thread long enough that I had to put > > > > my two cents > > > in there. I find it hard that anyone > > should accept the burden of > > > responsibility for receiving an > > electronic message that > was sent to > > > them by > > > > > mistake. And > > > > > those disclaimers that try to shift the burden of > > > responiblity from > > > > > the shoulders of the sender to the reciever are a sad > > > > attempt at just > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in > > both, > > so people > > > must speak it. Should we not then > > make disclaimers > > available in these > > > languages > > too? > > > > > > themolk. > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > > > From: Martin Tuip [MVP] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 > > June 2003 12:13 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a billion people on this planet speak > > Chinese ... going to > > > > included that as well ? I like > > the fact you are going to > > > add Dutch to > > > > the > > disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population > speaks > > and > > > > understands English very well. > > > > > > > > > > ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts > > > > > dealing with > > > > Exchange 2003 ** > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > Martin Tuip > > > > > MVP Exchange > > > > > > Exchange 2000 List owner > > > > > www.exchange-mail.org > > > > > > www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Midgley, Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of > > languages > > > > that need to > > > > > be covered. Web > > links are unacceptable since there is > no way of > > > > > > > checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they > > > > > > might not be > > > > > online when they read the > > message. > > > > > > > > > > We thought of using Latin > since most of > > the legal team > > know that. > > > > Esperanto > > > > > > is a bit > > too leading edge. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Shotton > > Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal > disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Has* anyone tested email > disclaimers in the > > courts in the > > > > UK, EU or > > > > > US? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not aware of any cases. > > > > > > > > > > I do find > it ironic > > that lawyers, who knowingly write in > > > a way that > > > > > > > most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the > > > > > > disclaimer > > > > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's > > > all > > Greek to > > > > > me. > > > > Or > > > > > > double-Dutch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps your disclaimer could consist of "Legal > > disclaimer > > > > - you must > > > > > > > read this" in every relevant language, each linked to a > > web > > > > page which > > > > > contains the text in > that language. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or write it in Esperanto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > > > > From: Midgley, Ian > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in > > discussions > > > with our > > > > > legal team regarding > > the validity of English language > > > > disclaimers on > > > > > > > messages written in various different European > > languages > > > > (we route all > > > > > our Internet > mail through > > a single SMTP gateway in the UK). > > > > The legal > > > > > > > team are pushing > > > > to > > > > > add > > disclaimers in each language. > > > > > > > > > > Just because > > no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean > > > > that > they are > > > > > > > not legally applicable - when was the last time you > > read the > > MS > > > > > license agreement when installing software? > And just > > > > > > because I select > > > > > > > the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean > > that I > > > > have read the > > > > > labels > > > > > attached > > > > > > > to those actions either. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he > > > > > > would be happy > > > > > to publish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that > is language > > > > > > aware? > > > > > Otherwise I'm going to > > have to do some funny tricks with SMTP > > > > > connectors > > > > > > and > > > > > routing inside the company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is > > intended for > > > > the recipient > > > > > or entity to > whom it is > > addressed. 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