OK, I'll try it another way - the presentation that I heard at Tech-Ed,
matched up against my notes, indicated that it was:

A) 4 x 4-way servers, active, plus
B) 1 x 4-way server, passive, plus
C) 2 x 2-way servers, passive, for backups, etc.

Equals 7.

I never claimed 8. I'm perfectly capable of basic math.  8, to my
recollection, notes, and thoughts of the PPT, is wrong.,

-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The PPT would be wrong then as 4+1+2 <> 8
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 

-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


----- Original Message -----
From: "Schneider, Bryan D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


> You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on 
> the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.
>
> On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook 
> and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.
>
> You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.
>
> 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?
>
>
>
> But do consider revisiting this with 2003.
>
> With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
> Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
>
>
> > That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
> > In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
> holding
> > in a cluster.
> >


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