you two kiss and make up now. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 1:40 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> 
> You are totally right.  Cochran's slides do say that.  My 
> notes do not.
> 
> I am wrong.  I'm sorry, Gary.
> 
> 7-node cluster per the slides.  4-1-2.  Not 5-1-2.
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Slinger, Gary
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:55 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> OK, I'll try it another way - the presentation that I heard 
> at Tech-Ed,
> matched up against my notes, indicated that it was:
> 
> A) 4 x 4-way servers, active, plus
> B) 1 x 4-way server, passive, plus
> C) 2 x 2-way servers, passive, for backups, etc.
> 
> Equals 7.
> 
> I never claimed 8. I'm perfectly capable of basic math.  8, to my
> recollection, notes, and thoughts of the PPT, is wrong.,
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:58 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> The PPT would be wrong then as 4+1+2 <> 8
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Slinger, Gary
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> Definitely Active/Passive.
> 
> The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up 
> to stream to
> tape after.
> This is per a TechEd presentation.
> 
> William
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schneider, Bryan D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> 
> 
> > You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware 
> failure on 
> > the
> server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for 
> maintenance where
> you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine 
> updates, service
> packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you 
> have as much
> time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
> bouncing email.
> >
> > On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 
> using Outlook 
> > and
> the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines 
> running on one
> quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at 
> all. Exchange
> 2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our 
> tests. However,
> Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a 
> fresh server to
> failover to.
> >
> > You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
> heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted 
> db which we
> attributed to the SAN.
> >
> > 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't 
> tested that yet.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?
> >
> >
> >
> > But do consider revisiting this with 2003.
> >
> > With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
> > Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
> >
> >
> > > That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
> > > In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs 
> much more hand
> > holding
> > > in a cluster.
> > >
> 
> 
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