If it moves it to a PST, then it is a client side rule and OL has to be running.
-----Original Message----- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -----Original Message----- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, > but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely > wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back > of my mind. Theres not much back there. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Andy, > > Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on > the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will > close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? > > Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back > them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing > Veritas to back it up correctly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at > some point the file closes, and it will back them up > correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees > an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes > the backup job; but marks it as having failed. > > > ================================= > Arron King > Network & Systems Administrator > Ohio Dominican University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > V: 614-251-4515 > F: 614-252-2650 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal > folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes > on psts and you can back them up! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a > very small exception list - pres & VPs of my org.) I do > backup the stores on my server. > > I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other > stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use > deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from > "oops I deleted a really important message"). > > All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is > really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other > stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for > those who can demonstrate the need. > > PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at > least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: > * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their > computer on w/outlook open, > * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame > me when they > forget!) > * PSTs get corrupted > > I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that > I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out > problems I used to have with PSTs! > > HTH > > Arron > > > ================================= > Arron King > Network & Systems Administrator > Ohio Dominican University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > V: 614-251-4515 > F: 614-252-2650 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem > > > Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! > > Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 > users. "Keep all emails in store.." A good idea, but what > happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a > single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any > mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase > radically->restore times increase radically!! > > Hopefully you see my problem now..? > > > -Arttu- > > -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- > Ldhettdjd: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ldhetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM > Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions > Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll > assume you're using Exchange. > > If you're concerned about storage space and the data > contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed > up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. > Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the > Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by > importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as > the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: PST-file backup problem > > > > > > Hello ! > > > > My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files > you always > > have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the > > file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just > incremental > > from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all > PST-files.. Ok.. > > so what you say! > > > > The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you > take, you end > > up paying a lot of money! > > > > Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? > > > > Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) > > > > Rgs, > > > > -Arttu- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
