My guess would be that it stays locked.  That would be the logical
assumption.

K

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> 
> 
> Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is 
> running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new 
> messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Andrey Fyodorov, MVP
> Systems Engineer
> Messaging and Collaboration
> Spherion
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> 
> 
> 
> Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 )
> 
> Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in 
> use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is 
> locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 
> minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how 
> to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the 
> file lock on a .pst file.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user,
> > but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely 
> > wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back 
> > of my mind.  Theres not much back there.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > Andy,
> > 
> > Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on
> > the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will 
> > close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly?
> > 
> > Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back
> > them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing 
> > Veritas to back it up correctly?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at
> > some point the file closes, and it will back them up 
> > correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees
> > an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file.  It completes 
> > the backup job; but marks it as having failed.
> > 
> > 
> > =================================
> > Arron King
> > Network & Systems Administrator
> > Ohio Dominican University
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > V: 614-251-4515
> > F: 614-252-2650
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal
> > folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes 
> > on psts and you can back them up! 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a
> > very small exception list - pres & VPs of my org.)  I do 
> > backup the stores on my server.
> > 
> > I have that VIP list in it's own store.  I have 2 other
> > stores that hold the remainder of my organization.  I use 
> > deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from 
> > "oops I deleted a really important message").
> > 
> > All of my stores have a size limit.  Granted the VIP store is
> > really big (but the overall use is pretty small).  The other 
> > stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for 
> > those who can demonstrate the need.  
> > 
> > PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at
> > least in the supported  sense), I had constant problems:  
> >     * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their 
> > computer on w/outlook open, 
> >     * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame 
> > me when they
> > forget!)
> >     * PSTs get corrupted
> > 
> > I would rather rebuild a server  in the very slim event that
> > I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out 
> > problems I used to have with PSTs!
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Arron
> > 
> > 
> > =================================
> > Arron King
> > Network & Systems Administrator
> > Ohio Dominican University
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > V: 614-251-4515
> > F: 614-252-2650
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, and thanx alot for your time!!
> > 
> > Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000
> > users. "Keep all emails in store.." A good idea, but what 
> > happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a 
> > single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any 
> > mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase
> > radically->restore times increase radically!!
> > 
> > Hopefully you see my problem now..?
> > 
> > 
> > -Arttu-
> > 
> > -----Alkuperdinen viesti-----
> > Ldhettdjd: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Ldhetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM
> > Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions
> > Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem
> > 
> > 
> > You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll
> > assume you're using Exchange.  
> > 
> > If you're concerned about storage space and the data
> > contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed 
> > up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. 
> >  Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the 
> > Exchange SIS.  (You won't initially magically get SIS by 
> > importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as 
> > the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS).
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: PST-file backup problem
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello !
> > > 
> > > My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files
> > you always
> > > have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook 
> changes the
> > > file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just 
> > incremental
> > > from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all
> > PST-files.. Ok..
> > > so what you say!
> > > 
> > > The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you
> > take, you end
> > > up paying a lot of money!
> > > 
> > > Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem?
> > > 
> > > Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;)
> > > 
> > > Rgs,
> > > 
> > > -Arttu-
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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