If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie.
As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the "professional" certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you call "professions" there are specializations. Within IT there are specializations too. It just so happens that those areas of /deep/ technical knowledge are sometimes on a particular product in addition to the specializations on generic process. There really is no precedent stating that there is ipso facto unprofessionalism or an issue with ethics. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I wish you could stop being so closed minded about this one particular issue. The venom and bile with which you say the word "vendor" is also really puzzling. When you go to a chiropractor, everything is a chiropractic problem with a chiropractic solution. When you go to a heart surgeon, everything is a coronary problem with a coronary solution. Different you say? Not really. If they act responsibly, they'll refer you somewhere else if what they have to offer isn't what you need. In the IT space, if what you need is not what I have to offer, I'll refer you somewhere else. Saying that I'm more likely to lie to you and try to mislead you than any random doctor with a specialty is absurd. On the other hand, if you want a specialist, getting one that has /deep/ technical knowledge is not a bad idea and if they've been recognized by other experts and their peers for that, all the better. Now you know my opinion on this subject. It's that you are every bit as wrong on this topic as you think I am. Let's move on. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Well, if you're big enough to look past my views on MVP, I think I can let it slide. Many thanks for your response. And, BTW, $1200 is 25% of the budget for this project, that's a big chunk of change. P.S. And because I have been heckled to death on this issue, I feel the need to clarify because I believe you have mis-characterized my position on this. Regardless of whether or not MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and never, ever, in a million years caused anyone to every act unethically or fail to think for themselves, it is still compensation from a vendor and hence something that IT professionals should not engage in. It is a slippery slope and if IT is to ever achieve the status of a profession, something that will eventually have to be addressed. > Andy > > Ps - please add appropriate grains of salt to the validity and > intellectual honesty of this answer. I have been accused of being an > MVP, which may have compromised my ethics and ability to think for > myself. > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
