I don't find it all that hard to control updates, assuming you mean for the Click to Run installs. Just need to set up some scheduled tasks, scripts and GPOs and it works by itself. It's annoying setting it up the first time as it's completely different to all other current methods and requires pretty much reinventing an octagonal wheel but it works and has so far been easier to patch without annoying the users than other WSUS products.
ConfigMgr or similar can provide a pretty report of who has what version installed :) My main gripe is with the incompatibility between C2R installs and MSI installs. We have VL licences for Visio and Project and as of 2016 MSI installs refuse to install at all if there's a C2R program installed on the target machine :( Regards, Freddy From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 3:19 PM To: excha...@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [Exchange] RE: Upgrade on-prem vs Office 365 #4 is a major ongoing PITA. Especially since it is now extremely difficult to control when updates are applied to Office and to know "who has what" update. Also, the status windows don't tend to be updated until hours after an event begins, and will only be updated if a 'significant' percentage of Office 365 users are experiencing a problem. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tavares Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:03 PM To: excha...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:excha...@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: [Exchange] RE: Upgrade on-prem vs Office 365 Cached exchange mode won't help much with #1. The email is still being downloaded from the server and using bandwidth when it happens. Generally not a big deal if the email doesn't contain file attachments. If you happen to be a company like my previous company that got 10's of thousands of very large attachments daily, then it becomes a very big issue. The other issue with exchange being in cached mode, is the users that have large mailboxes and the cache runs their C: drive out of space. (not many companies I know of that install office on a drive other than C: ). Yeah I know with newer versions of outlook you can limited how much gets downloaded in the cache. That sometimes helps but not always, depends on the user. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Freddy Grande Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:02 AM To: excha...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:excha...@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: [Exchange] RE: Upgrade on-prem vs Office 365 As long as you're using Cached Exchange mode on your Outlook clients 1 and 4 and as huge an issue as they sound. One thing I suggest while you train you users (oh yes, you'll want to train them with regards to Archive Mailboxes, retention policies, Junk Email (if not already handled by O365) remind them to dial back on attachments, especially to groups or many recipients where possible. We've been trying to push OneDrive for Business for internal sharing of folders/documents and our FTP server for external bulk documents to share with other companies. Regards, Freddy From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tavares Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2016 10:25 AM To: excha...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:excha...@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: [Exchange] RE: Upgrade on-prem vs Office 365 I can give you my 2 cents. We migrated a few thousand users a couple of years ago. 1. You will probably need more internet bandwidth. This will really depend on a few things, how heavily used is your internet connection currently, number of users, and how many file attachments users are going to be opening daily (and of course the bigger the size limit the more bandwidth they will consume) 2. Be prepared for some users to not work, and others to work. Since your mailboxes get spread out across servers it is possible for 1 or more users to have issues while other work fine. This was always annoying as the outages at MS always seemed to find my C-Level execs mailboxes, very rarely just a regular end user 3. Backups in general. I had several issues were a users mailbox became corrupt and after several days of dealing with premier support the determination was made the mailbox and it lagged copies were corrupt and the only option was to delete the mailbox and recreate it (not an option when it is an execs mailbox). So make sure you have someway to back up your mailboxes. 4. I have been away from the day to day management of o365 for a little under a year, but Regular support when I left was HORRIBLE. And while Premier support was not much better, it is something to keep in mind when making the decision. 5. While #1 will have some to do with this, your users need to remember their mailboxes are in the cloud. As a result, that nice speedy 100/Full, or GiG/Full connection they had to your local network which allowed them to open file attachments quickly, has been reduced significantly by the your internet connection and distance to o365. So file attachment that would take 1 or 2 seconds to open, probably now result in outlook displaying the good old, outlook not responding as it opens/saves the attachment. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Damien Solodow Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 9:46 PM To: excha...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:excha...@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: [Exchange] Upgrade on-prem vs Office 365 Our on-prem setup is Exchange 2010 SP3, so we're going to want to look at a migration of some variety later this year. We already have an Exchange hybrid setup with Office 365, and are considering just migrating our mail to there rather than an on-premise upgrade. What are some of the negatives/issues/things we'd lose going cloud vs on-prem? Main things I can think of are: -likely need more Internet bandwidth -won't have archival backups of stores/mailboxes -? DAMIEN SOLODOW Senior Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE
