I wondered what tool you were going to use to "thicken you skin"...
On Jan 22, 2008 1:30 PM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > *I get that way daily sir!!* > ** > *I learned a Lonnnngggg time back just how little I do know compared to > some of the excellent list members here, including our hosts, Sunbelt > Software and all their team.* > ** > *NOW, THOSE PEOPLE ROCK!!!!* > ** > *Please Don, keep the comments coming, it makes one think and rethink > their situation and I appreciate that.* > ** > *NOW, someone pass the beer will ya!!* > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:06 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: GoExchange Response > > I wasn't in an uproar... :P > > And just for the record, the other day I was talking to myself because I > couldn't remember where the config file for NTOP was and I said, "self, you > fscking idiot, stop being so stupid!". > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > HA!! > > Well, in my 19-20 years in this field, I agree it's been far and few > > between the number of times I have had to use the "so called" > > exchange utilities, however, w hen I came on board, this company was > > using DEMO backup software to backup files, but no Exchange backup so ANDY, > > you are correct, if a good admin has backups that are verified, there is no > > need for such a utility and it is like nails on a chalk board when I get the > > notification that GoExchange is getting ready to perform its' maintenance. > > > > Unfortunately, not everyone is as knowledgeable as Don Ely, that's why > > we depend on our fellow Admins subscribed to this list, even Don. > > > > Don, my skin is quite thick, thank you!!, and yes, unlike you who places > > yourself leagues above everyone else, I do feel stupid sometimes. That's why > > I subscribe to this excellent list and encourage other less fortunate Admins > > to do so to gain a greater knowledge of how to do things "the right way". > > > > Your comments are appreciated sir. My apologies for getting your balls > > in an uproar. > > ** > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:43 PM > > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > *Subject:* Re: GoExchange Response > > > > To clarify, I did NOT say you were stupid because you used the > > program... > > > > I said "This product was created for stupid people who don't read the > > documentation or listen to PSS..." So, that wasn't necessarily directed at > > you. Apparently, it was more appropriately directed at your predecessor and > > you were the unfortunate soul that had to deal with the product... You just > > happen to take offense to the statement. In which case, I would say you > > might need to thicken your skin... > > > > Their product is designed for a niche market and I would classify that > > market for so-called Exchange admins lacking the brain cells to actually be > > called admins[1]. Would do me no good to tell them I thought poorly of > > their product as it clearly wasn't designed for Exchange admins with a > > clue. Oh, and my hard evidence regarding their product... I can count on > > one hand how many times I have run ESEUTIL or ISINTEG on an Exchange > > database in the last 11-12 years. And of those times, I was a consultant > > called in for emergency support to ressurect Exchange... > > > > [1] Is that better than the shorter version "stupid"? > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:31 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > I can take "constructive" criticism and welcome it if its done in a > > > positive light, but classifying anyone as "stupid" just because they use a > > > program you disagree with is very unprofessional. > > > > > > I DO know Exchange and how to use the utilities (manually), learned > > > the hard way. I didn't want to use the program: > > > > > > 1. Because its grossly overpriced > > > 2. I feel it is unnecessary if, like you say, you know how to > > > administer Exchange. > > > > > > However, I was literally "forced" to purchase and install it for this > > > company due to their experience with the last "stupid" administrator. > > > > > > Thanks for your comments anyhow. I'd suggest if you are so adamantly > > > against such a program, you might want to contact them and express your > > > feelings to them and provide hard evidence to disapprove the use of the > > > program so that we can avoid having other "stupid" administrators in the > > > world. > > > > > > Have a good day sir! > > > ** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:14 PM > > > > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > *Subject:* Re: GoExchange Response > > > > > > I don't recall what page it was, but when I read "this product was > > > designed because most IT people don't know what order to run these > > > utilities, etc..."; my opinion was quickly formed... > > > > > > That said, if you don't know how to administer Exchange and have no > > > intention of learning, this product is for you. If you DO know how, this > > > product is clearly NOT for you... > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:10 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very constructive comment there Don. Thanks!* > > > > ** > > > > *Tom* > > > > *"One of the Stupid People"* > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:03 PM > > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > *Subject:* Re: GoExchange Response > > > > > > > > Summary of the 9 pages... > > > > > > > > "This product was created for stupid people who don't read the > > > > documentation or listen to PSSS..." > > > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 9:48 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > > > > > I have a response from Lucid8 concerning their GoExchange product > > > > > and the questions that were posted a week or so back. I've tried to > > > > > post the > > > > > response here but the Lyris server says its too large so if anyone > > > > > want to > > > > > read their response, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > > > > > I'll forward it to you. > > > > > > > > > > It is in DOCX format. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Tom Strader > > > > > Server Systems Administrator > > > > > NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center > > > > > 704.379.1285 Office | 704.444.2098 Fax > > > > > ***http://www.linkedin.com/in/tstrader*<http://www.linkedin.com/in/tstrader> > > > > > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral > > > > > problems." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
