Talk about unaware of the concept. I cant beleive they printed that. On Jan 23, 2008 11:40 AM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have found this to be an interesting thread. Chasing down some of the > quoted testimonials, I Googled "Steve McHargue Chief Information Officer > Jackson Walker LLP" , which led me to an InformationWeek article which > pretty much is another GoExchange and gives more details about the "issues" > they were having. > > http://www.informationweek.com/software/messaging/166403975 > > > > "Jackson Walker had been using Veritas' KVS product for archiving, but while > KVS had extracted over 200 gigabytes of data from the Exchange Server, the > databases themselves were not getting any smaller, and the number of errors > and warnings were growing along with the time it took to backup and > restore." > > > > NO SH!T! They don't get smaller unless you do an online defrag. > > > > Dave Lum - Systems Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" > > > > > > > From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:54 AM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: GoExchange Response > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: GoExchange Response > > > > > > > > > It's looking more like that's the consensus Rene'. > > Thanks for your time to look and respond. > > > > Tom > > > ________________________________ > > > From: René de Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:30 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: GoExchange Response > > > > Had a little look at their website and I agree don't see much value added > either.The thing that puzzles me with the comment below from a satisfied > customer, how does doing offline defrags help you with achieving a high > uptime since you need to stop services to run it? > > > > "Uptime and Availability: "After just one use of GOexchange, our information > stores were reduced by 45-50% with thousands of errors, warnings, and > inconsistencies corrected. Without GOexchange we would be unable to provide > the current level of 99.999% uptime and availability to our customers."" > > > > Think I only needed to run it once and I've worked with exchange since > version 5.5. > > > > Also they mention defragging the db. Doesn't exchange do that by itself??? > Unless they mean an offline defrag which MS even says only if necessary. > > > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:13 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: GoExchange Response > > > > > > If Dane Cue would like to join this forum (or another that is not vendor > controlled) I'll be happy to discuss each and every point. Otherwise, why > bother? I've seen much of the material in that response before. I think a > number of other MVPs would agree. > > > > He can call me "crazy" or "out in left field" or whatever he wants. And I > can do the same. In most of this, he says the same thing that I and others > said – just using different word that spin the answer differently. Several > times he asserts that I mean something that I did not say. > > > > From an insurance perspective – I absolutely agree – good backups are > important. I don't know what other value-add they truly provide, other than > disaster recovery. > > > > I can provide documentation to back up my statements. I can provide a quote > from one of the key developers for ESE that says you don't do these things > on a regular basis. To wit: > > > > …I'm glad you'd never recommend a tool that would > > recommend offline defrag as standard maintenance! :) I generally don't > > recommend regular offline defrags myself, believing if that becomes > > necessary it is an issue that should be fixed in ESE or whatever app > > (Exch/AD) is using ESE. > > > > Lucid8 has a vested interest in selling their product. I respect that. They > do provide some value-add with reporting. But that is all that I see. And I > don't approve of their marketing. I personally think that it is misleading. > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > MCSE/Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > > From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:48 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: GoExchange Response > > > > > > List, > > I have a response from Lucid8 concerning their GoExchange product and the > questions that were posted a week or so back. I've tried to post the > response here but the Lyris server says its too large so if anyone want to > read their response, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll forward > it to you. > > It is in DOCX format. > > Sincerely, > > Tom Strader > Server Systems Administrator > NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center > 704.379.1285 Office | 704.444.2098 Fax > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tstrader > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > *** > The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this > e-mail in error please notify the sender by return e-mail delete this e-mail > and refrain from any disclosure or action based on the information. > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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