Hiya john. Very interesting reading and hearing how other transitions have 
gone. Although not on a VM, I went through one from 5.5 a few months ago and 
had similar experiences.

We had inherited permissions problem too. I was having that discussion with 
someone outside just yesterday, that also had the same issue. They think the 
link for that was membership in some built in security groups.

On ADUC, we deployed tools from the 32 bit install (still available on the MS 
site) to get ADUC to work.

I've got about the same mailbox count that you mention. I may have to try VMing 
some of the other roles.

Sent from my hand held...

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[email protected]>
Sent: 8/14/08 5:39 PM
Subject: Update: Exchange on VM


I just wanted to update everyone on our Exchange migration, since I had 
mentioned here what we were doing. Maybe it will help some of you if you have 
to go down the same road as us in the future.

Our old server was Exchange 2003 on a Server 2003 32-bit box. A bit over 500 
mailboxes, around 40 GB of mail.

New server is Exchange 2007 on Server 2008 64-bit Hyper-V VM. We have two 
VMs--one for Edge and one for Hub Transport, Client Access, and Mailbox. Both 
are on the same physical machine.

For the most part, things worked well--creating the new servers and migrating 
the mailboxes went smoothly. We ran into a couple of little bumps in the road 
that had me pulling my hair out after that, but things could've been much 
worse. The engineers (from an outside company) that worked with me on the move 
were pretty knowledgeable, although Hyper-V was a bit new to them and one of 
them was much more knowledgeable about Exchange 2003 than 2007. They did have 
to engage Microsoft engineers at one stage, and between MS, the outside 
engineers, and me there were times when there were half a dozen of us on a 
conference call working on problems at one time.

Exchange 2007 seems to work fine in a Hyper-V VM. Granted, we're a smallish 
organization and we've been running it for less than a week, but still--things 
look fine.

Some gotchas we came across:

* A number of our users aren't configured in ADUC to inherit permissions (which 
apparently users normally would be). For some, this created an issue where they 
couldn't log into OWA. For others, it created no problems whatsoever.

* We had to configure Outlook Anywhere to use plain text instead of NTLM 
(although we're using SSL, so plain text is still secure). Although NTLM is the 
preferred method per MS, for some reason when we had it selected our users were 
being repeatedly prompted to enter their credentials in Outlook--but it would 
never accept them and would keep asking over and over again. What's even 
weirder is that this was happening ON OUR NETWORK, where Outlook Anywhere 
really shouldn't be in use. This confused MS, the outside engineers, and me. 
This problem--which also prevented Free/Busy and the Out of Office Assistant 
from working--only affected Outlook 2007 clients, not 2003.

* Outlook redirected itself to the new server fine for most of my users, but 
for around 10% - 15 % it didn't. For them, we've had to delete and recreate 
their Outlook profile on their machine. Not a hard fix, but kind of a pain to 
run around and do. We have not determined a pattern as to which machines 
redirected and which didn't. It appears to affect both Outlook 2007 on Vista 
and 2003 on XP.

* Having to use the Exchange Management Console to do things you used to be 
able to do directly in Active Directory Users & Computers is a pain and just 
plain stupid. I don't know what Microsoft was thinking there.

* The Exchange Management Shell is great, although there are some tasks that 
have to be done there that I think would be easier from a GUI.

* It seems weird to me that the purpose of the Edge server role is to protect 
your other servers/roles from the Internet, yet OWA, ActiveSync, etc. don't run 
at the Edge level. So your CA/Mailbox/Hub servers still have to be exposed to 
the outside, even if you have an Edge server.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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