I was surprised to find that net-tools was still in the system set, honestly. So I +1 moving it and iputils to the stages set. I actually don't care about iputils, but I think many newcomers will be startled by not finding ping in a newly installed system. That's why I think all three (net-tools, iputils, iproute2) can easily be in the stages set when the dust settles.
To prevent some future stabbings of Kylie, we should all try to identify which packages depend on these packages and make sure the deps are there before people accidentally purge them after friday. I think ppp needs ifconfig/route for its scripts, but there are probably more packages that need to be looked at. Cheers, Tureba - Arthur Nascimento On 3 November 2015 at 08:28, Bo Ørsted Andresen <z...@exherbo.org> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 09:55:23PM -0500, Kylie McClain wrote: > > net-tools, if you are not aware, is a set of long obsoleted tools, such > as > > `ifconfig`, `route`, `domainname`, `netstat`, etc. April 2011 was the > ten year > > anniversary of it's last release, and in Linux time, it's basically a > miracle > > that the crusty thing still even compiles. (which it doesn't, on musl!) > > > > Long ago it was superseded by iproute2, and was it was actually > officially > > unmaintained by the maintainers around 2009. [2] > > > > So, it's safe to say that it's well past it's prime. It should be > removed from > > the system set, and given that we don't have live CDs or anything of > that sort, > > networking really doesn't matter for the system set, because we expect > the user > > to install whatever they happen to need for getting connected; and they > probably > > don't want to use `ifconfig`, if I had to guess. > > > > iputils on the other hand, is a set of network-related tools such `ping`, > > `tracepath`, and various other small utilities. Asking why it was in the > system > > set lead to me learning it's basically on there for historical reasons. > It's not > > required for any system-critical functionality, and again, we depend on > the user > > to deal with their networking setup. > > So net-tools has been stable for 1½ decades. And iproute2 breaks every > other > week.. :) > > I'd say add net-tools to the stages set, leave iputils out and remove both > from > the system set. > > Regards, > Bo Ørsted Andresen > > _______________________________________________ > Exherbo-dev mailing list > Exherbo-dev@lists.exherbo.org > http://lists.exherbo.org/mailman/listinfo/exherbo-dev >
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