On 11/17/05, Jason Meers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would seem that the majority of people are against splitting the > list. I have no problem with that.
I think it is a much better idea to have a separate list. That way, those who read the beginners list know what they are in for and bring more patience when reading the list. This is a real issue that should not be dismissed so quickly. I have seen some pretty anti-social flames on this mailing list and that drives away users. I have no strong preferences for how we cater for new users or > converters just a desire that we do more to help them. > > Anything to stop people giving up with Exim completely as I did and > deciding to install "Exchange Virus Factory 2003" quicker than you can > say "I agree, next, next, next, finish, reboot" > > If we need a backgrounder document about the responsibilities a mail > administrator needs to understand then lets put one together. My feeling is that this will be ignored despite the fact that it is absolutely necessary. Most things in debian I have an easy time with, exim4 was the exception, largely because I ignored reading documentation. Documentation needs to be integrated more completely somehow. If we need to be clear about which beginner configs are suitable for > isolated networks and which are suitable for connection to public > networks then lets put it together. This seems wise. I was interested in the numerous discussions about the level of > competence required and the concept of "earning your stripes" before > being let loose on a real MTA. > > It sounds like people have an idea in their own head about what should > be learned before someone is allowed to "fly solo". I am running exim4 as my mail server and I am learning about mail at the same time. I am the kind of person that people on this list are skeptical about. I do not run an open relay but I cannot diagnose reject log errors with just the RFCs in front of me. Mail is big and hairy, even experienced sysadmins with no mail experience need to be more careful. I dont mind being used as a central point for the collection and > organisation of code samples, documentation or links people may already > have that could be used for beginners in pdfs or on the wiki. > > I would really like to see an examples directory that could be > distributed along with exim (or downloaded separately if that suggestion > is not popular, maybe in time for v4.7x) This is a good idea. I think even Marc Haber (debian package maintainer) said that what exim lacks is a good tutorial with examples. I would help with this if work needs doing, I think this would really help. I would be happy to work with Nigel on this if nobody has any objections > to me "championing" some extra documentation for new users and > converters (without dumbing down or altering the current exim-users. Personally I think there really exist two audiences - people with mail administration experience and those without. Your unix/linux/other background is unimportant. (Obviously if you do not know how to use the shell you are not going to install exim.) That is why I think there ought to be two lists. Best regards, Jeremiah Foster ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users > ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ > ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/ > -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
