On 8 Feb 2006 at 17:27, W B Hacker wrote about
    "Re: [exim] STARTTLS before EHLO?":

|...
| Given that most MUA's default to port 25 for submitting
| outbound traffic, that 'sane client default' perhaps should be
| overriden to use a submission port.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Bill?  No one is objecting to 
recommending the use of the submission port, quite the contrary.  

The objection is to recommending that the submission port be 
configured as tls-on-connect.

- Fred





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