Marc Sherman wrote: > Jason Meers wrote: > >>Your right, it was the Marc Perkel posting that prompted me to post >>however if you look back over the last 4 years, 232 threads contained >>the phrase RTFM, the number of individual posts within these 232 threads >>will put the RTFM figure much higher. >> >>This is not just a recent issue or simply a "Perkel" issue. > > > I know you haven't singled me out explicitly there, but just in case > anyone thinks you are, I feel that I should respond. I just grepped my > entire sent folder, which goes back to when I started using IMAP in > December 2004. I found exactly 3 other instances of the phrase RTFM > (plus one message with RTFM in a base64 encoded attachment, but that > doesn't count). > > One of them was to Bill Hacker on this list, suggesting that he read > Philip's messages in the mailing list archives countering his statement > that I should RTFM about exim using TLS-on-connect as a client: > > http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20051121/msg00042.html
- And said Bill Hacker hasn't a problem in the world with that. I still configure the port in a 'contrarian' manner, but am glad of the advice ;-) Being told to go away and research more diligently when I need to has saved me a great deal of grief - why complain? > > The other two were meta-discussions about RTFMing, on this list and > exim-dev: > > http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20050822/msg00125.html > http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-dev/2005-May/msg00032.html > > BTW, sorry I never did get around to making those wiki changes to the > MailingListEtiquette page. > > - Marc, still sleeping soundly > I think we can all do so. I count a mere 18 'RTFM' in the 2277 posts since 10:59 2 Feb 2006, a max of two per-poster. On inspection, most of those only show 'doubles' because of quoting in a related reply.... I find a mere 174 more in the 30,189 posts between 27 November 2003 06:40 and 20:57 1 Feb 2006. (just my 'Local Folders') With the wider time-span, there is a higher 'hit' per poster, but the same thing is found - each 'RTFM' is requoted one or more times in later responses - as noted in your meta-discussion reference.... So - looks to me as if a maximum of half, and more realistically 1/3 or 1/4 of the hits actually count in the category of that initial 'slap' that is supposed to be such a problem. Perhaps an average of one R-T-F-M per every two or three hundred posts? I have a comparable archive of Courier-MTA traffic. It's a good list and there is a high level of expertise shared. But anyone interested in going there will need a much thicker skin than on this list. -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
