W B Hacker wrote:
> 
> Ancient history now. Like it or not, we should move on and use 587.

That's all well and good, Bill, and if you simply advised people not to
open port 465 at all, I wouldn't reply. It's your repeated advise to
people to open 465 for unencrypted/STARTTLS usage, against all
established historical practice, to which I object.

- Marc

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