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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
(Ricky)
2. Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
(Margy)
3. Re[2]: Expat List looking for one-room apartment in Moscow
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4. Re: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes (Dasha Repina)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:31:48 +0400
From: Ricky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]>
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There are differences. Great. Somebody wants one thing, somebody else
something different. Great, too. Whatever. Now get over it. And now,
get
back to your books, work, learn you grammar, your spelling and even
better,
some more languages. Maybe we can understand each other better and
discuss
some more interesting topics, than the difference between American and
British English. Otherwise, I'll start an email spam about Luther's
influence on High German in connection with the increased usage of
dialects
such as "Schwaebisch" and "Bayrisch" in German language Schools.
Seriously, as interesting as this conversation is, can somebody,
please, put
the thread in the forum and stop flooding my inbox.
Thanks
Rica
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:22:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Margy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
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Dear Friends
Try Chinglish. Its the most in thing
Ak
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From: George Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]>, "Donald Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:07 PM
Donald can¢t resist this one.... It¢s due to the multi-cultural
diversity of the ancestry of the UK. In the early years, way before
America was invented :-), we were invaded and settled by many
different cultures ending with the French in 1066. Since then the
language in the various regions, as it does in any country, despite
the size, has developed and regional identities are very prevalent.
By the way I come from the NE of England and if I get called a
Geordie, I get upset and Newcastle is only 15 miles from where I
originate. Note the spellings, hence wanting an English, English
teacher, :-)
American English has developed in the same way as any language,
unfortunately, to us English it¢s not a direction in which we want
to follow e.g. Michael Phelps is the winningest Olympian ever. A
comparative verb? Oh well......
And don¢t forget idiom, the most difficult part of any language to
conquer.
My twopenneth worth.
Many thanks
George
From: Donald Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:53:13 +0400
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'The Moscow Expat List' <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
Sorry but I have to make a comment on your last remark. I work for a
British company and for my two kopek¢s worth I am thoroughly amazed
at the different accents from Proper old school British English to a
New Castle Jordie accent. Sometimes we need a translation from
English to English just to understand what our Jordie is even
talking about. America has an excuse for the different accents for
exactly the reasons you stated below, but what is Brit¢s excuse?
There is a different accent in every other area.
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] On Behalf Of Anthony Corbett
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:33 PM
To: Kirill Galetski; The Moscow Expat List
Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English
Would you go to Quebec to learn French, or Brazil to learn
Portuguese? I doubt it. Why would you want to learn American English
with all its corruptions and barely understandable slang,
originating from immigration several hundred years ago, when you can
learn British English, the latest form of a language that is
constantly refining? In addition, the UK is considerably closer,
unless you live in the Far East.
Why would you teach both forms of a language? That is like teaching
several dialects of a language at the same time.
My two pence worth!
Anthony
2008/9/2 Kirill Galetski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
Russians' preoccupation with British English and necessarily having
a British is irksome at best, idiotic at worst. As a former English
teacher, I take offence [sic] to it.
The world standard for business is American English, with all of the
trappings thereof. It's not an accident that major non-Anglo
corporations such as German concern Bosch have American English as
their standard for all English-language communications.
To quote Bill Bryson from his book MADE IN AMERICA, An Informal
History of the English Language in the United States,
"To this day it remains a commonplace in England that American
English is a corrupted form of British speech, that the inhabitants
of the New World display a kind of helpless, chronic 'want of
refinement' every time they open their mouths and attempt to issue
sounds. In fact, in several significant ways it is British speech
that has become corrupted, or, to put it in less reactionary terms,
has quietly evolved."
Nevertheless, I believe that when English is taught, both the
American and British varieties should be taught in nearly equal
measure. This implies having a teacher that is competent to do both,
but it certainly does not limit the teacher to being only of the
British nationality.
Just my two kopeks' worth.
Kirill.
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:37:25 +0400
From: "Dasha Repina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Expat List English tutor
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Hi John,
thanks a lot for your attention, but the requirement of my boss is
quite
exact. He wants British teacher.
All of the best, Daria.
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:03:58 +0400
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Subject: Re[2]: Expat List looking for one-room apartment in Moscow
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Besides speaking Russian you need to be able to deal with this site
and people advertised there (real estate agents mainly) - too lot of
crap and false, doubled options.
First you need to select options carefully during phone conversation
and understand if this what you really looking for.And also
if you decide to use it be ready to act and move very quickly :)
Pay attention to the Comission column - if it indicates 100%comission
- this is the same as to hire an agent who will done all job instead
of you:)Of course there are 60-80% and even comission free options but
you need to work very intensively to get what you need at this
price:)
One word - using this site requres to be very experienced in dealing
with real estate in Russia:)
Christine
ND> A great place to look would be www.cian.ru - I have ben
ND> living in Moscow for almost six years and this site has found me
ND> the best places and the best derals
ND>
ND>
ND> Nina Dolman
ND> Commercial Director - International Operations / FT-Network
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ND> mobile: 007 926 248 97 42
ND> 2008/9/2 Jessica Bachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ND> Hello Everyone,
ND> My husband and I are moving to Moscow next week and are
ND> looking for a one bedroom apartment somewhat close to the ring. I
ND> am a 23-year old American woman and he is 26 and Russian. I speak
ND> fluent Russian, and both of us have stable jobs.
ND> Any advice anyone can give including good agencies,
ND> contacts etc. would be greatly appreciated.
ND> Thanks,
ND> Jessica
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:18:42 +0400
From: "Dasha Repina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes
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No worries Marian, about poor student,
I replied to everyone who deserves in this discussion and of course
I found
my tutor, and enjoy my classes which I am actually taking to
understand
better my lovely Stephen Fry in "mr. Kingdom" and "Absolute power".
Funny,
isn't it? I pointed that I am a lawyer just to specify the area of
knowledge
I have and the level of education. But I had quite weird feelings
about the
others' discussion about my willingness and unwillingness to learn
this or
that variant of language. Surely, the discussion was not about me
and not
about my wishes because no one asked if I knew already American
variant. I
suppose next time, when I wish to learn Irish, for example, or
Australian,
it'll be better to ask somewhere else.
Best, Daria.
2008/9/4 Marian Dent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree 100%. And as a lawyer he/she might also have other
considerations besides clients. He might want to pass the Cambridge
Certificate Exam in Legal English (which is based on English law)
or take
the English solicitor's exam, or take an LL.M. in the UK or
something. It's
really none of our business what his preferences are, and as
sometimes
happens with expat list discussions though, we have all forgotten
the poor
students desires and turned this into a general debate.
To the original poster of the request--sorry! And did you ever
find your
British legal English tutor?
Marian
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
expat-bounces+mdent <expat-bounces%2Bmdent>[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
Behalf Of *Jeffrey Forbes
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:25 PM
*To:* 'The Moscow Expat List'
*Subject:* RE: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes
I would like to chime in on this...ahem...discussion, about learning
English as a foreign language.
Full disclosure: I am an American who has been living in Europe for
more
than 20 years.
Along the way I learned to speak German, then Czech, and was once
quite the
Anglophile, so I can see both sides of this debate.
However, let's focus on the needs of the client here for a moment,
who is
an adult lawyer.
I happen to work with lawyers alot so it helps to see things from
their
perspective.
Now, if this lawyer who wants to learn better English, primarily
works with
other clients or lawyers from London or the UK, or deals with
referral
business primarily originating from British law firms or European
law firms
that have an alliance with a major British firm, then yes, by all
means,
this lawyer would benefit more by having a tutor from Britain,
because they
could pick up on the nuances of the language better. And believe me
there
are plenty.
This would then make him/her (sorry, the gender of this lawyer was
not
mentioned) more Anglophile in the eyes of his/her clients. And this
would
create more rapport and trust and help further develop those
relationships,
which is important to a lawyer's business.
If however this lawyer was primarily working with American or global
companies/clients then he/she would be better off having a tutor
that could
present the English language in a more Amercian and international
fashion,
as American English does get influenced by British English somewhat
when it
goes global. And this would be for the same reasons as I noted in the
example above: understanding the nuances of the language/culture
which would
help to create more rapport and trust and further develop those
relationships.
In my opinion, this is the criteria this lawyer should use when
considering
to hire an English tutor.
Best regards,
Jeffrey
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
expat-bounces+jeffrey <expat-bounces%2Bjeffrey>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*On
Behalf Of *Buser, Mark F PWR
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:54 PM
*To:* The Moscow Expat List
*Subject:* RE: Expat List English tutor
Your modesty is overwhelming. Have you actually met all the English
teachers in a city of over 10 million people to verify their pay?
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*On Behalf Of *John Ferris
*Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:34 AM
*To:* The Moscow Expat List
*Subject:* Re: Expat List English tutor
I am considered the best teacher in Moscow by my students, and
(perhaps not
so attractive to you) the highest paid in Moscow, but I am from the
US and
not the UK, although I had a British girlfriend for many years and
know a
lot about the differences between the two languages (not as much as
people
think, other than pronunciation).
John
--- On *Fri, 8/29/08, Dasha Repina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
From: Dasha Repina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Expat List English tutor
To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 12:37 PM
Dear All,
I am looking for English tutor, native speaker, from UK, in
Tverskaya-Pushkinskaya area, for adult lawyer wishing to improve
language.
Could anyone help me?
Best, Daria.
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