Dear List, To take away the attention of the debate:
For my clients I am looking for lawyers with Real Estate Experience and English language knowledge. If you know anyone let me know. Rewards are available. Sorry for my bad English ;-) Yours sincerely, Diederik Arnold -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent Vitlock Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:56 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Vincent Vitlock Subject: Expat List Re: Expat Digest, Vol 47, Issue 14 Can anyone post something that is worth reading...this bloody debate is boring me to death today. Vincent On Sep 5, 2008, at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send Expat mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Expat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > (Ricky) > 2. Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > (Margy) > 3. Re[2]: Expat List looking for one-room apartment in Moscow > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. Re: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes (Dasha Repina) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:31:48 +0400 > From: Ricky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > There are differences. Great. Somebody wants one thing, somebody else > something different. Great, too. Whatever. Now get over it. And now, > get > back to your books, work, learn you grammar, your spelling and even > better, > some more languages. Maybe we can understand each other better and > discuss > some more interesting topics, than the difference between American and > British English. Otherwise, I'll start an email spam about Luther's > influence on High German in connection with the increased usage of > dialects > such as "Schwaebisch" and "Bayrisch" in German language Schools. > > Seriously, as interesting as this conversation is, can somebody, > please, put > the thread in the forum and stop flooding my inbox. > > Thanks > Rica > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.lists.ru/pipermail/expat/attachments/20080904/6ad6b712/attachment -0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:22:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Margy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > To: The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" > > > Dear Friends > > Try Chinglish. Its the most in thing > > Ak > DISCLAIMER:Information contained inthis E-MAIL is proprietary to > sender.and is intended for use only by addressee, and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law.If you are not the intended > recipient, an agent you are notified that any use, distribution, > transmission, printing, copying of this information in any way or > manner is strictly rohibited.If you have received this communication > in error, please delete mail . > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, George Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: George Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]>, "Donald Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:07 PM > > > Donald can¢t resist this one.... It¢s due to the multi-cultural > diversity of the ancestry of the UK. In the early years, way before > America was invented :-), we were invaded and settled by many > different cultures ending with the French in 1066. Since then the > language in the various regions, as it does in any country, despite > the size, has developed and regional identities are very prevalent. > By the way I come from the NE of England and if I get called a > Geordie, I get upset and Newcastle is only 15 miles from where I > originate. Note the spellings, hence wanting an English, English > teacher, :-) > American English has developed in the same way as any language, > unfortunately, to us English it¢s not a direction in which we want > to follow e.g. Michael Phelps is the winningest Olympian ever. A > comparative verb? Oh well...... > And don¢t forget idiom, the most difficult part of any language to > conquer. > > My twopenneth worth. > > Many thanks > > George > > > > > > > From: Donald Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:53:13 +0400 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'The Moscow Expat List' <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > > Sorry but I have to make a comment on your last remark. I work for a > British company and for my two kopek¢s worth I am thoroughly amazed > at the different accents from Proper old school British English to a > New Castle Jordie accent. Sometimes we need a translation from > English to English just to understand what our Jordie is even > talking about. America has an excuse for the different accents for > exactly the reasons you stated below, but what is Brit¢s excuse? > There is a different accent in every other area. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On Behalf Of Anthony Corbett > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:33 PM > To: Kirill Galetski; The Moscow Expat List > Subject: Re: Expat List Russians' preoccupation with British English > > > Would you go to Quebec to learn French, or Brazil to learn > Portuguese? I doubt it. Why would you want to learn American English > with all its corruptions and barely understandable slang, > originating from immigration several hundred years ago, when you can > learn British English, the latest form of a language that is > constantly refining? In addition, the UK is considerably closer, > unless you live in the Far East. > > Why would you teach both forms of a language? That is like teaching > several dialects of a language at the same time. > > My two pence worth! > > Anthony > > 2008/9/2 Kirill Galetski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > Russians' preoccupation with British English and necessarily having > a British is irksome at best, idiotic at worst. As a former English > teacher, I take offence [sic] to it. > > The world standard for business is American English, with all of the > trappings thereof. It's not an accident that major non-Anglo > corporations such as German concern Bosch have American English as > their standard for all English-language communications. > > To quote Bill Bryson from his book MADE IN AMERICA, An Informal > History of the English Language in the United States, > > "To this day it remains a commonplace in England that American > English is a corrupted form of British speech, that the inhabitants > of the New World display a kind of helpless, chronic 'want of > refinement' every time they open their mouths and attempt to issue > sounds. In fact, in several significant ways it is British speech > that has become corrupted, or, to put it in less reactionary terms, > has quietly evolved." > > Nevertheless, I believe that when English is taught, both the > American and British varieties should be taught in nearly equal > measure. This implies having a teacher that is competent to do both, > but it certainly does not limit the teacher to being only of the > British nationality. > > Just my two kopeks' worth. > > Kirill. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:03:37 +0400 (MSD) > Subject: Expat Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3 > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:37:25 +0400 >> From: "Dasha Repina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Expat List English tutor >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi John, >> >> thanks a lot for your attention, but the requirement of my boss is >> quite >> exact. He wants British teacher. >> >> All of the best, Daria. > > _______________________________________________ > Expat mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > > > > -- > Anthony Corbett > Head of International M&A > Vimpelcom > 4 Krasnoproletarskaya St. > Moscow 127006 > Russian Federation > > T: +7909 991 7783 > M: +7962 942 1682 > E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > S: anthonycorbett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Expat mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > _______________________________________________ > Expat mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.lists.ru/pipermail/expat/attachments/20080904/dce4f42c/attachment -0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:03:58 +0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re[2]: Expat List looking for one-room apartment in Moscow > To: The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 > > Besides speaking Russian you need to be able to deal with this site > and people advertised there (real estate agents mainly) - too lot of > crap and false, doubled options. > First you need to select options carefully during phone conversation > and understand if this what you really looking for.And also > if you decide to use it be ready to act and move very quickly :) > Pay attention to the Comission column - if it indicates 100%comission > - this is the same as to hire an agent who will done all job instead > of you:)Of course there are 60-80% and even comission free options but > you need to work very intensively to get what you need at this > price:) > One word - using this site requres to be very experienced in dealing > with real estate in Russia:) > > > Christine > > > ND> A great place to look would be www.cian.ru - I have ben > ND> living in Moscow for almost six years and this site has found me > ND> the best places and the best derals > > ND> > > ND> > > > ND> Nina Dolman > ND> Commercial Director - International Operations / FT-Network > ND> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ND> mobile: 007 926 248 97 42 > > > > > ND> 2008/9/2 Jessica Bachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ND> Hello Everyone, > > > ND> My husband and I are moving to Moscow next week and are > ND> looking for a one bedroom apartment somewhat close to the ring. I > ND> am a 23-year old American woman and he is 26 and Russian. I speak > ND> fluent Russian, and both of us have stable jobs. > > > > > ND> Any advice anyone can give including good agencies, > ND> contacts etc. would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > ND> Thanks, > > > > > ND> Jessica > > > > > ND> _______________________________________________ > ND> Expat mailing list > ND> [email protected] > ND> http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > ND> http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:18:42 +0400 > From: "Dasha Repina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes > To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > No worries Marian, about poor student, > > I replied to everyone who deserves in this discussion and of course > I found > my tutor, and enjoy my classes which I am actually taking to > understand > better my lovely Stephen Fry in "mr. Kingdom" and "Absolute power". > Funny, > isn't it? I pointed that I am a lawyer just to specify the area of > knowledge > I have and the level of education. But I had quite weird feelings > about the > others' discussion about my willingness and unwillingness to learn > this or > that variant of language. Surely, the discussion was not about me > and not > about my wishes because no one asked if I knew already American > variant. I > suppose next time, when I wish to learn Irish, for example, or > Australian, > it'll be better to ask somewhere else. > > Best, Daria. > > 2008/9/4 Marian Dent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I agree 100%. And as a lawyer he/she might also have other >> considerations besides clients. He might want to pass the Cambridge >> Certificate Exam in Legal English (which is based on English law) >> or take >> the English solicitor's exam, or take an LL.M. in the UK or >> something. It's >> really none of our business what his preferences are, and as >> sometimes >> happens with expat list discussions though, we have all forgotten >> the poor >> students desires and turned this into a general debate. >> >> To the original poster of the request--sorry! And did you ever >> find your >> British legal English tutor? >> >> Marian >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> expat-bounces+mdent <expat-bounces%2Bmdent>[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> Behalf Of *Jeffrey Forbes >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:25 PM >> *To:* 'The Moscow Expat List' >> *Subject:* RE: Expat List English tutor - Jeffrey Forbes >> >> I would like to chime in on this...ahem...discussion, about learning >> English as a foreign language. >> >> >> >> Full disclosure: I am an American who has been living in Europe for >> more >> than 20 years. >> >> >> >> Along the way I learned to speak German, then Czech, and was once >> quite the >> Anglophile, so I can see both sides of this debate. >> >> >> >> However, let's focus on the needs of the client here for a moment, >> who is >> an adult lawyer. >> >> >> >> I happen to work with lawyers alot so it helps to see things from >> their >> perspective. >> >> >> >> Now, if this lawyer who wants to learn better English, primarily >> works with >> other clients or lawyers from London or the UK, or deals with >> referral >> business primarily originating from British law firms or European >> law firms >> that have an alliance with a major British firm, then yes, by all >> means, >> this lawyer would benefit more by having a tutor from Britain, >> because they >> could pick up on the nuances of the language better. And believe me >> there >> are plenty. >> >> >> >> This would then make him/her (sorry, the gender of this lawyer was >> not >> mentioned) more Anglophile in the eyes of his/her clients. And this >> would >> create more rapport and trust and help further develop those >> relationships, >> which is important to a lawyer's business. >> >> >> >> If however this lawyer was primarily working with American or global >> companies/clients then he/she would be better off having a tutor >> that could >> present the English language in a more Amercian and international >> fashion, >> as American English does get influenced by British English somewhat >> when it >> goes global. And this would be for the same reasons as I noted in the >> example above: understanding the nuances of the language/culture >> which would >> help to create more rapport and trust and further develop those >> relationships. >> >> >> >> In my opinion, this is the criteria this lawyer should use when >> considering >> to hire an English tutor. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeffrey >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> >> >> >> Jeffrey Forbes - The Client Doctor >> >> ___________________________________ >> >> >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Web: www.clientdoctor.com >> >> >> >> Mobile: +420-732 374 191 >> >> Office: +420-220 570 463 >> >> Fax: +420-220 570 464 >> >> >> >> Jana Zajice 40 >> >> 170 00 Prague 7 >> >> Czech Republic >> >> >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> expat-bounces+jeffrey <expat-bounces%2Bjeffrey>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *On >> Behalf Of *Buser, Mark F PWR >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:54 PM >> *To:* The Moscow Expat List >> *Subject:* RE: Expat List English tutor >> >> >> >> Your modesty is overwhelming. Have you actually met all the English >> teachers in a city of over 10 million people to verify their pay? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> expat-bounces+mark.buser <expat-bounces%2Bmark.buser>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ] >> *On Behalf Of *John Ferris >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:34 AM >> *To:* The Moscow Expat List >> *Subject:* Re: Expat List English tutor >> >> I am considered the best teacher in Moscow by my students, and >> (perhaps not >> so attractive to you) the highest paid in Moscow, but I am from the >> US and >> not the UK, although I had a British girlfriend for many years and >> know a >> lot about the differences between the two languages (not as much as >> people >> think, other than pronunciation). >> >> John >> >> --- On *Fri, 8/29/08, Dasha Repina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> From: Dasha Repina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Expat List English tutor >> To: "The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 12:37 PM >> >> Dear All, >> >> I am looking for English tutor, native speaker, from UK, in >> Tverskaya-Pushkinskaya area, for adult lawyer wishing to improve >> language. >> Could anyone help me? >> >> Best, Daria. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Expat mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat >> >> http://www.expat.ru/forum/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Expat mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat >> http://www.expat.ru/forum/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.lists.ru/pipermail/expat/attachments/20080905/262ba82a/attachment .html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Expat mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > > > End of Expat Digest, Vol 47, Issue 14 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/ _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/
