"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote:
 
> "Stephen F. Bosch" wrote:
> >
> > It's just that I have a different conception of "bug" than you do.
> >
> > To me, a bug is bum code. Code with errors in it. Most of what you're
> > complaining about are plain-jane configuration issues -- stuff not
> > installed, stuff not configured.
> >
> > Linux does not configure itself, no matter what distro you use. Granted,
> > there have been great leaps forward with respect to things "configuring"
> > themselves, but still, it's up to the user in the end.
> 
> That's preposterous.  What do we have distributions *for* if not to get
> things like file permissions right?  Why bother with things like RPM
> files at all?

We have distributions to get everything in one place and not have to
spend days and weeks locating source and compiling it so it will run.
Along the way there are a lot of other nice things we can get out of a
distribution, but a differently configured distribution is not
automatically "buggy."

Take Debian -- have you installed Debian? It's a distribution. It leaves
a lot more to the user.

Even when file permissions are "right" as you put it, they're not right
for every situation, and it falls to the operator to adjust accordingly.
Also -
 
> There PRECISELY the sorts of things that constitute bugs in the
> distribution.  The individual applications are ultimately the
> responsibility of the application maintainers, though the distributor
> has an obligation not to ship a "very broken" version.

... can you honestly say that Mandrake 7 is a "very broken" distro? I
beg to differ.
 
> As to the people complaining about Alen yelling, well . . .
> 
> You know, sometimes somebody else says something *so* stupid that it's
> hard to come up with a really calm, rational response.  I think this
> applies here.

Well, my response was calm and rational. You don't have to agree with
me.

-Stephen-

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