[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello pj
> You have expressed my sentiments as well. Fortunately most email readers can
> filter out noise like this almost automatically once they have been setup. I
> would not be in favour of any other form of censorship, such as having
> Mandrake Software remove them from the list, even assuming that they were
> willing to do so. Please stay on the list and activate a filter.
> Regards
> Ron
>
> Pj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Before I found this MUG, I was in a newbie list, where I rightfully
> > belonged. I was beseiged with foul language and temperamental children
> > telling me and others to RTFM. I didn't appreciate the language then and
> > I don't appreciate it now, personally.
> >
> > The reason this MUG was a great resource was because it was inhabited by
> > persons who acted like adults. They didn't need to swear because they
> > were frustrated. They needed answers and got them from their peers who
> > were also on this list.
> >
> > At one time this list was not composed of home users. The people that
> > ran our universities, and medical schools, and governments, and large
> > corporations were very active on this list. The security experts and
> > system analysists were here to help us secure our systems and make our
> > networks function. Those names are missing, as are OUR developers and
> > debuggers, that wrote the little scripts and taught us little tricks to
> > keep us up and running after we shot ourselves in the foot.
> >
> > They are all gone. The only way to achieve this level of help again is
> > to clean up our collective act or build a new MUG. From where I sit, and
> > reading the level of questions submitted tese days there doesn't appear
> > to be much to work with.
> >
> > The question is very basic. Do you want the guru's and developers back
> > on this list to help us or not?
> >
> > If you do clean up the language, lose the attitude, exhibit a modicum of
> > self control, open your ears and develop some patience. Then, just maybe
> > Denis, SteveP, Dave, Zak, Ramone, Chamouol, Axalon, Jean-Michel and the
> > other old heads will come back and rescue us from ourselves.
> >
> > I don't know about any one else on this list, but I need all the help
> > I can get that's why I'm here. I'm not likely to leave and I'm not
> > likely to help a whining, screaming, kid with a foul mouth and bad
> > manners. And I know that I am not... a majority of one.
> >
> > Whether or not we read doc's isn't as important as trying the best we
> > know how according to our level of knowledge. Not all of us have the
> > ability to read the man page, but we all have the ability to try to
> > clean up our own mess. As far as I am concerned if we are smart enough
> > to run a Linux system successfully we are smart enough to be civilized
> > and act like it in public. This list after all is a public forum.
> >
> > Pj
> >
> >
>
> --
Well, there are messages I never see.... Filters are effective
in trashing them unseen. HTML is one thing I filter, and people
who are rude and demanding after a few of their posts. I am not
as much an expert as a researcher, and most of my answers involve
MY reading the fine material available, a conscious and time
consuming procedure that rewards me with knowledge and
understanding as well as the satisfaction of having helped
someone. Usually I will get by the first few rude remarks and
still help, but when I have had enough from any one poster...
That one vanishes from my sight, and I rarely lift a filter to
seek a changed attitude.
Of late I have been less active on this list. Some others have
been less active as well. Not all of us because of the rude
remarks--other duties, travel, and documentation projects have
intervened. But as long as I have people genuinely seeking help,
I will give what time I can, as an unpaid volunteer, to answer.
Civileme
