> > I agree.  We need a 'newbie' install option that makes all the technical
> > decisions for you, as well as the other install options for those with
more
> > knowledge.
>
> Do you view a RH installation as being this sort of installation?  What
> about Corel?  The problem I see with these installations is that if
> autodetection fails in any way, the user has no recourse.

That is a difficult area for me to comment on, as I haven't installed RedHat
since 5.1, and I have never used Corel.  The only other distros I've played
with are SlackWare UMSDOS and TurboLinux.

> > Also, we could use a more 'user-friendly' way for the 'newbie' to
install
> > additional packages at a later date.  An option to automagically
>
> This is possible if you restrict your view to them actually buying them
> (or getting them) from a single place and restrict what applications
> you're talking about.  It's easy to control installation if you're holding
> hte proprietary keys to setup/installation but given the nature of open
> source and the free range of application developers, you're asking a lot
> to generate standard installations.  It might be nice if we could get the
> websites to better label whether this or that rpm requires compilation or
> not though.

RPM already checks for dependency issues.  Surely it's not that great a step
for it to check your CD or the ftp site for your distro to find the

> > Another member of the group recommended taking out the repeated packages
> > with similar functionality - I don't think that would work.  There would
be
> > far too many holy wars re-started as to what is taken out.  A better
>
> Agreed but the problem could be partially solved by presenting ONLY the
> KDE tool suite and/or GNOME suite.  They could stick vi, vim, and emacs on
> the HD but not stick them on the menus.  It gets downright overwhelming
> for a newbie to find no less than 8 basic editors and half a dozen
> formatting tools on his menu system when all he want to do is write a
> note.

That is fine if the user has sackloads of hard disk space.  Many don't -
especially newbies who are trying it out on a dual-boot Windoze machine, or
on a laptop.  For example, I only have a 6Gb drive on this laptop, and need
4Gb of that for Windoze - and that is way too tight; it's nearly all gone.
Out of the remaining 2Gb, once I take out the suspend partition and Linux
Swap, I'm down to 1.7Gb.  A full 7.0 installation, plus StarOffice 5.2 and
I'm almost out - and that's before the data...

Better descriptions of the individual packages would help.  These don't need
to be long, just to the point.  For example, "vi - small, no frills,
powerful but steep learning curve", "pico - similar to DOS Edit", "Emacs -
best suited to those with ten fingers on each hand", etc.

Regards,
Ozz.



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